Fire at Saba’s Emory Location
Decatur Metro | September 28, 2009 | 3:20 pmA tough blow. Shane at Saba writes in…
Saba in Emory caught on fire last week and we will be closed for a few months. While we are rebulding, we are going to try our hand at lunch at the Oakhurst Village location and offer delivery to Oakhurst and Emory Mon-Fri 12-2 and 6pm-9pm every day. If you could help spread the word I would be very grateful.
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I blame the bad economy. Or low population density. Or something.
But in all seriousness, sorry to hear about this. Glad no one was hurt (I’m assuming) and hope that location gets back up and on its feet quickly!
Oakhurst Saba is a great place for weekend brunch. Not crowded like places downtown.
Sadly, this is also why nothing survives there. I have seen at least 6 different businesses come and go there over the span of 7 years. I think Saba stands the best chance as their price points seem more in line with the offerings.
Maybe that building or the site itself has bad feng shui. It should be cleansed.
Or razed.
El Matador has been going strong in this shopping center for 3+ years. Which proves my theory that if you put cheese dip on the menu, your Atlanta restaurant will survive. It doesn’t even have to be a Mexican joint, i.e. U Joint. We Atlantans love our drippy, processed cheese.
Oh how i already miss my Emory Saba lunches! But, happily, I can now get Oakhurst Saba dinners! With a bunch of toys for the kids too! Thanks for coming to Oakhurst Saba – looking forward to seeing you back in Emory Village.
I really want this place to stick around. Just ate there and it was great. It was affordable, had friendly service, and the food was delicious. (And they were pretty tolerant of little kids wreaking havoc and running amuck, so you people with kids will love it)
GO EAT THERE.
Thanks for the heads up! I love children running amuck, especially since i just want to enjoy my food!
No offense to people with kids, but like the last 3 restaurant postings are how everyone loves places that they’re children can basically run free.
I’m not anti-child but seriously! My comment on Little Azio pretty sums up places i like to go.
Last week someone posted a comment to the effect of of, if you don’t like kids, don’t go there. Thanks! I won’t! It’s not that i don’t like children, just not yours running around while i’m trying to eat.
I’m a little sensitive since this just happened in a pretty adult restaurant last night.
I think i will save this for an FAF in a few days.
I’m with Rebeccab
After reading the previous posts about kids wrecking havoc and running amuck, I won’t be venturing to Saba anytime soon.
I hear you, Rebecca! If parents who believe the restaurants they go to are so “tolerant” of kids “running amok” & “wreaking havoc” could hear what the staff say out of their earshots (along with the huge sigh of relief they let out when these PWKs leave), they’d rethink those blithe assumptions. Just because they don’t hear anything from the servers who are forced to dodge their way around Junior’s game of musical chairs or pinballing around from table to table, or the manager who’s praying silently that little Precious won’t get hot food spilled on her when she knocks into someone carrying it to the table (thereby incurring an almost certain lawsuit by the parents of said Precious), doesn’t mean that they’re OK with it. It just means that they try to keep a stiff upper lip & endure it so they can keep your business in a recessionistic economy, all the while hoping that disaster can continue to be avoided, that it won’t turn off other patrons, or that the parents will eventually get a clue/common sense/manners/all three, and pass them along to their children. Personally speaking, I’d be too embarrassed to even hint that I allow my kids run amok or wreak havoc at any public place other than those specifically designated for them to do so (e.g., playgrounds, parks, Chuck-e-Cheese, etc.).
Letting your children run around and disturb other people is NOT acceptable behavior in any public place north of Chuckee Cheese. If I’m there and you do it you will be called out. It’s not the kids fault it’s yours.
That is a little unfair. The tables are widely spaced, and although it seems very kid friendly, and “neighborly”, there were no kids running amok when I was there. I have been there 4 weekends in a row. We came with a neighbor 2x who has a new born baby and we really wanted to avoid over crowded Thumbs Up and Pastries AGG. There was no wait and they were oh so quiet. And the food was very good, alot of greek dishes.
I don’t think you were addressing me direxctly, AR, but in fairness, let me caveat my above statement by saying that I wasn’t talking about what happens at Saba specifically, but at many “family friendly” restaurants in general. I honestly don’t know how “kid-friendly” Saba is, because there haven’t been many (or any) kids in there when I’ve been there (mostly Sunday evenings). Further, I wouldn’t base my decision to patronise a place simply upon someone else’s comments. I do base such decisions on past experiences, tho, and consequently avoid such places during “peak” family hours (which seems to be between 5:30 – 7:30 pm).
You guys are taking this the wrong way. The children there were not screaming and terrorizing anybody. I just meant that it is kinda common in Decatur to see kids doing their own thing in a restaurant and their parents not caring… leaving the waitstaff to navigate the various children running amuck whilst carrying plates. Saba is no different than any other restaurant in Decatur. They handled it very well because they are trying to stay in business.
Go eat and enjoy their delicious food.
We’ve had/seen the same thing there as well. Having been a server in a past life, I know it’s a roayal pain to navigate around the little tykes. But being a parent of a 2 year-old in my current life, it’s a huge relief to have a toy box up front that the sometimes-too-impatient-to-remain-in-booster-seat munchkin can visit.
More love for Saba: I’ve yet to be there when a child did anything (ie screaming, throwing food, you know – stuff kids do (even the disciplined ones go wild sometimes)) to interrupt other diners. Plus, as several folks have mentioned, the food is really quite good.
FH, i didn’t mean to make you an example, but i think lately, for some reason, it has become more, don’t like my kids? go somewhere else type of deal. Guess what? I’m tired of explaining my eggs to the free world as if there is something wrong with me. Like if you don’t have kids by 30, you’re defunct in some way. I can assure, i’m hot, my wheels are oiled, and if you have any questions, just ask you husband. Single girl’s perspective, just sayin…
We can all cohabitate being responsible and respectful of each other.
I’m about to walk through the square and sit in Brickstore, long red hair, and plaid (the cool expensive Mischa Barton) kind. So bring your kid and sit next to me, let’s try this out, (JK I haven’t gotten out of my spank other people’s kids Walmart phase yet)
We can all get along.
Everyone from the smallest to the largest should be taught manners and how to use them. If we learn to use basic manners, we learn to respect the right of another human being to exist and are on the path to fostering a more civil and just society. Children should not run amok, parents should grow up and leave the kids at home when they hit bars & restaurants for big people and adults without children should realize how hard it can be sometimes to rein in that little monster.
That is all I have to say.
I can agree with everything you just said, Nellie, but I’d add this to the bit about reining in the little “monster”: there is a way to rein it in when nothing else works, and it’s called “Taking them H-O-M-E.” Unfortunately, too many inconsiderate folks feel entitled to allow the chillun to run amok rather than cart their carcasses home. Other than that, I’m withya.
I am with ya Rummy baby. What we actually do is take him outside and isolate while the other eats; fortunately, that’s only happened about twice!
Yep, same here. When the kiddos are acting hellish, my wife and I trade off. One takes the kiddos outside while the other enjoys their meal and finishes their beverage. Then we switch.
Applaud! Applaud! As the parent of a 9 yo who has been hitting the restaraunt scene since birth (Brickstore at 1 week) we have been complimented repeatedly at her impeccable behavior in a restaraunt. We have never allowed her to leave her seat, except for a bathroom visit during the meal as it is not safe for her or the waitstaff. There was clearly a period in her development when we had to curtail dinners out with her as she could not follow the rules. After about 6 months, she was more developmentally ready to stay in her chair. We could have been selfish and took our child and let her run around and annoy the other dinners, but we chose not to be one of those parents. I wish more parents would consider the safety of their children who are roaming in restaraunts. I dined with a friend of mine who let her 18 month old roam a nearly empty establishment; the child went to just about every empty table and licked the top of all the salt and pepper shakers, she licked the windows, she knocked over the chairs – her mother did not pay attention because she was “finally getting to enjoy a meal in peace and quiet” I refuse to lunch with her if her child is in attendance.
Hmmm, and to think I moved to Decatur in search of tolerance. This is second time in a week I’ve noticed a flare up of hostility towards children running amok. My personal budget doesn’t allow for going out to eat much but when I do I’ve never noticed the severity of behavior argued here. Never, not once. I’ve seen some misbehaving but none that deserves the vitriol spewed by some posters. But again, that maybe because I don’t eat out much.
Decatur, a city of homes, schools, places of worship and judgmental non-breeders.
>>a flare up of hostility towards children running amok.<>Decatur, a city of homes, schools, places of worship and judgmental non-breeders.<< Wow. The irony!
“Never, not once. I’ve seen some misbehaving but none that deserves the vitriol spewed by some posters.”
I’ve lived here for 5 years or so and tend to agree with you. I have a 2 year-old, but even before that, I didn’t see it. I am also extremely on-point anytime we take the dude out in public, as to not disturb anyone around him.
Rebeccab–defensive much?
Uh…whoa. How did “Saba has toys which is good for kids” (and parents and other diners!) turn into ” I’m tired of explaining my eggs to the free world as if there is something wrong with me.”
Saba is good food, and they have toys so that kids AREN”T running amok. Go eat there – I promise no one will ask you about your eggs.
CH- you should probably learn to read, take that back, think. Did you even bother to read the above postings?
Easy there Becky, just cause DM isn’t around much this week to moderate doesn’t mean we need to get to the AJC level of dialouge.
And frankly, I think ch makes a good point. This disucssion has veered way off-track. Somehow I don’t think that saying a place is kid-friendly should automatically lead to the kid-bashing (or healthy venting, depending on your POV) seen on here today. Just for curioisty sake, what was it in the post by ch that caused you to accuse them of failing to both read and/or think?
Rebeccab, allow me to take this one.
Robbie, you ask what was it that caused R to accuse ch of failing to read and think? How about these remarks in previous posts….?
FH: they were pretty tolerant of little kids wreaking havoc and running amuck, so you people with kids will love it [Note: I thought this might just be good-natured baiting by FH, until the subsequent conversation unfolded. I also thought, I won’t be trying out Saba any time soon.]
FH: it is kinda common in Decatur to see kids doing their own thing in a restaurant and their parents not caring… leaving the waitstaff to navigate the various children running amuck whilst carrying plates. Saba is no different than any other restaurant in Decatur.
Robbie: it’s a huge relief to have a toy box up front that the sometimes-too-impatient-to-remain-in-booster-seat munchkin can visit.
It seemed to me also that ch joined the thread without reading or considering the preceding discussion. And I’m completely in solidarity with Rebeccab, Nelliebell, cubalibre, and anybody else with the fortitude to stand up and say, “Enough!” I don’t eat out often and am tired of having my meal disrupted more often than not by undisciplined children. I like kids, but I see no reason why I should be tolerant of parents who refuse to take charge of their own offspring.
Having a play area at McDonald’s or in the waiting area at the tire place is a good idea. Encouraging loose children in a sit-down restaurant that presumably caters to adult diners is not. (Although I can’t blame the restaurant management for taking what is obviously a defensive measure. Parents won’t control their children, so the restaurant tries to corral them in one area, at least.)
What I find interesting are the posters who essentially defend parents allowing their kids to do pretty much what they will– and get their backs up when it’s pointed out how completely rude and thoughtless it is. No one will cop to this themselves, of course, but I think we can pretty much peg who’s guilty of it by the degree to which they resort to accusations of “kid-bashing” and condescension. Nevermind that none of us are child-haters, or believe that kids have no right to be out at all. Ah, well– here’s hoping they manage to shield their offspring from a world that does not revolve around them! Like you, I stand by everything I’ve said. Incidentally, if anyone wants to see examples of true “child-bashing”, there are plenty of child-free sites where the comments will make what we’ve said here pale by comparison. Just Google it, if you don’t believe me!
There’s love, there’s nurturing, there’s teaching and inspiring and encouraging. All of these are key parental traits, but they don’t add up to much if they’re not balanced by the occasional “swift kick in the ass” (as my Dad affectionately called it).
Not to suggest I have any magical insights on parenting. Just, in the time I’ve been at it, I’ve found you really only need to remember two things about kids to get decent results: You gotta love ’em. You gotta bust ’em. Some folks seem to forget the Yang side of the deal.
Totally agree with you, Scott.
Robbie, insofar as I’ve read, the frustration expressed here has actually been directed at the parents. Since you brought it up, just for curiosity’s sake, what specifically in these comments qualifies as kid-bashing, in your opinion? I’m not asking defensively or facetiously– I’d really like to know what it is that you (or anone else who’s commented in similar vein) find that falls into that category.
Your condescending references to children include “Junior,” “Precious,” and “Monster.” I think this qualifies as kid-bashing.
My use of the term “monster” was quoting someone else’s use of it (and a poster who’s also a parent, no less). On the rest, we’ll just have to agree to disagree. You’re of course entitled to your opinion, but if “Junior” and “Precious” = “kid-bashing” to you, you’re probably going to be offended at much less on this subject.
‘Kid-bashing’ is far from an overstatement. As S. points out, your condescension is self-evident. One’s choice of words does matter.
At one point in my life I was a perfect parent. I had it all figured out. Then I had children and realized I wasn’t nearly the expert I thought I was.
Judge less. Empathize more. And we’ll all be better off.
Now, I think I’ll have a rum and coke with a splash of lime as a symbolic act of peacemaking. Salud, fine sir!
It’s not kid-bashing, it’s parent-bashing, and it stems from deep frustration with the ever-declining standards of common courtesy and civility in our society. Yesterday’s running-amok toddlers are today’s teens and very young adults who don’t know how to share the sidewalk or behave cordially in any kind of public queue. If we can’t count on children learning common courtesy at home, then maybe we’d better lobby for the inclusion of Miss Manners in the school curriculum, starting in pre-K. I know, I sound like the codger that I am.
BTW, has this really been a case of threadjacking? Or did the conversation simply take a turn that some people found uninteresting and/or uncomfortable? That’s not a baited question–I have an opinion (big shock) but am interested in others’ views, and especially hope for a determination from DM about it.
I’d have to mildly disagree with you here, stg– I really don’t believe I’ve “bashed” anyone. Telling it like it is isn’t bashing, anymore than simply disagreeing with what we’ve said is bashing us. The only people who see it as “bashing” appear to be those who’ve been hit where they live.
Point taken, cubalibre. I didn’t mean to implicate you or anybody else in “bashing.” I clumsily tried to point out that we all consistently hold the parents responsible, not the children. If someone disagrees with the view that parents need to take responsibility for their children’s behavior, then let them express a contrasting opinion, instead of trying to re-frame the debate by casting me (and you and others) as child-hating kid-bashers.
So did you guys hear Saba caught fire last week and will be closed for a few months?
(Sorry, just wanted to get this conversation back on track).
RebeccaB – I am sorry to have offended. I did read the posts above, and i felt that the discussion was moving away from Saba to kid bashing. By my reading your post wasn’t related to Saba or kid bashing, but rather about how not wanting to eat with kids if you didn’t have them somehow made people feel “defunct in some way.” This seems to me a totally different set of issues. My apologies for offending you. Just so you know, when i see 30 year olds without kids in restaurants the issues you raised never ever come across mind. I probably think: lucky to be dining without kids.
Saba is great!
Wow, there are some things in this thread I am saddened to see. But I just want to agree that Saba in Oakhurst is great.
Whatever. I’m on my kids 24/7 about their behavior and manners, but my willful 4- year old (whose sense of logic and vocabulary skills have exceeded his emotional maturity) is still going to act out now and then. Does that mean I don’t take him out to dinner? No. It just means that the kid-bashers are not going to see the other 23.5 hours of that day that I spent being a good parent and instead will see the half hour that I struggled through. Live and let live. Get over yourself. I wonder how many times you acted out in public when you were a kid.
That’s not really directed at anyone in particular. Just the kid-bashers.
You’re right, CSD mom. A lot of the parent/kid bashers suffer from selective memory syndrome.
No one here has suggested that children should never be taken out to dinner, nor that kids should only be seen but not heard. But regardless of how seldom your “willful 4-year-old” (your term, not mine) forgets his home training, whenever he does act out, he should not be allowed to continue disrupting everyone else’s evening out. To allow him to do so without taking measures to curb his behavior, or to remove him from the area of disruption if those measures don’t work, is simply rude– regardless of what a good parent you are the other 23.5 hours of the day. Contrary to what you seem to think, most people actually do empathize with the parents of kids who’re acting out– but that empathy dries up very quickly when they see those parents simply turn a deaf ear to the antics, or make no effort to address them.
And yes, I acted out in public places when I was a child– but because my mother instantly removed me from the vicinity, and gave me consequences when we got home, I soon learned not to do it. It would never have occured to my mother to shrug off my behavior as me “just being a kid”, or tell anyone whose evening was disrupted by my behavior to “live and let live”. I don’t think I and the others who’re like-minded are the ones who need to “get over” ourselves.
I completely agree with you, believe it or not. And my poor spouse is usually the one who gets to lug the critters outside until they calm down. But I do feel like this whole issue is so blown out of proportion on this site–you’d think that you couldn’t go out to eat anywhere in Decatur without having to dodge strollers and child-missiles and baby-shrieking at every turn. Honestly I really can’t remember the last time I judgmentally thought that a fellow parent needed to take their child out of a restaurant. In my experience, most people do this long before the other patrons and the waitrons start glaring, whispering, and politely asking them to leave. Maybe those who so angrily and defensively guard their eggs are more sensitive to it?
Cubalibre, believe it or not but I agree with you too. I do think parents should remove the child from the situation. I do not feel parents should ‘shrug it off.’ As I said earlier on this thread I’ve seen some misbehaving but nothing as severe as some seem to imply. (ever-declining standards of common courtesy and civility in our society.) When I do see an especially unruly child, 90% of the time I also see a responsible parent remove the child from the situation. Many here paint a picture of a rampant dissolving of values, respect and common courtesy. And I just don’t see it.
Furthermore, Cubalibre, you implied earlier I’m offended by your ‘telling it like it is’ because it hits close to home. That’s simply not the case. (By the way, your mom sounds like a strong mother much like my own.) What offends me are broad strokes that imply that a vast majority of parents in Decatur are failing to teach their child basic societal courtesies. I’m not saying such behavior is nonexistent but It’s definitely the exception and not the rule. Like CSD mom, I can’t remember the last time I saw a parent sit by nonchalantly while their child wreaks havoc.
CSD Mom & writerchad, I’ll address your comments collectively, and then I really think it’s time we shake hands & part civilly– although I’m glad we can all agree on some things (parents should take responsiblity for their kids’ actions, especially in public, etc.), it’s clear that we’re not going to agree on everything. I find it interesting that all the people on this board (the two of you included) who claim they’ve never seen children acting the way that’s been described just happen to be…parents! That could be because, after hearing their own offspring dickering all day, every day, they become a bit inured to the decibel level that young children are capable of reaching. If you become accustomed to something after being exposed to it on a daily basis(e.g., loudness & horseplay), you’re much less likely to be as affected by it as those who haven’t. It could also be because you’ve just been lucky– I certainly cannot know for sure, but I have my own theories. On another thread, I remarked that no one wants to believe that they’re part of the problem, because we all want to believe the best of ourselves (and our kids), but a failure to see things as they are leads to the kinds of misunderstandings we encounter on this board each time someone comments about their experiences with unruly children in restaurants (or other public places). I also don’t believe that the remarks to that end were “broad strokes that imply that a vast majority of parents in Decatur are failing to teach their child basic societal courtesies”– no one, especially me, has said anything of the kind. For whatever reasons you read into it what you did, I can only surmise that you didn’t really read everything we were saying, because we in fact were clear that we weren’t talking about most parents– in Decatur or otherwise. “A lot” or “many”, or even “too many”, does not mean “most”. I regret that you both appeared to take our remarks personally, or that children in general were being “bashed.” Why this should be so puzzles me, since none of the initial remarks were directed at either of you, and I also made it clear more than once that I was not talking about responsible parents (as you both state that you are). If the remarks don’t apply to you, there should be no need for you to react the way you did. “Judgmental”? I guess that’s in the eye of the beholder, but to assert that someone’s being “judgmental” in their outlook when they’re simply reporting their experiences & opinions connotes a certain defensiveness, so forgive me if it appeared to me that you did, in fact, seem to be offended because the remarks applied to you. I am happy to take you at your word that they don’t. In other threads on this blog, I’ve actually taken up for small fry in public, on more than one occasion, but I wouldn’t expect either of you to be acquainted with everything I’ve posted here. So, even though we’re probably not going to come down 100% on each other’s side of the fence, I think we can at least agree on some basic principles, and that’s good enough for me. Cheers!
Cubalibre, well put sir. Your posts do not paint with broad strokes. You seem like a gentleman and if you’d ever like to meet for an adult beverage, I’d buy the first round.
However STG’s comment ‘If we can’t count on children learning common courtesy at home, then maybe we’d better lobby for the inclusion of Miss Manners in the school curriculum, starting in pre-K.’ does use a mighty big brush to illustrate today’s parents. And the vast majority of parents in Decatur, (I think nelliebelle put it at 98%, a number I can agree on) do work very hard to make sure children learn the rules of proper public decorum.
Well, thankee, writerchad– I’m not actually a gentleman (much to my spousal unit’s relief), but I’ll take the compliment. And if we should ever happen to run into one another around here, I’ll be happy to buy you…that’s right– a cubalibre (with 10-Cane Rum, to boot)!
Flor de Cana is also a favorite.
Now this is a total thread-jacking question, but why wouldn’t your spouse want you to be a gentleman?
Well, mainly because he’s heterosexual.
He loves our gay friends as much as I do, but he’d rather be married to a lady, rather than a gentleman. I can’t say I always behave as a proper “lady”, but if we’re talking solely genderwise, then I’m a ladyperson, which removes me from the sphere of being a gentleman.
Okay, so I do have something else to say:
I was a waitress, bartender and a restaurant manager for 4 years of undergrad and 6 years of grad school. I am now a parent. Many parents do not tend to their children in restaurants, period. I used to work at Everybody’s at Emory, for example. A large EB pizza weighs a LOT. Try safely navigating a crowded aisle with a 7 pound hot pizza when Buffy and Jody are screaming like banshees and running in the aisles. A kid once tripped me on a set of stairs at the old Houlihan’s at Lenox while I was carrying a tray of 6 entrees. I managed not to drop the tray but landed squarely on my ass. I once got a complaint because I moved some little precious in a highchair out of the aisle and more over to the edge of the table, away from a dangerous path. I can think of about 700 more of these, and I mostly worked in bars!
Most – not all- restaurants tolerate ill-behaved children and their ill-behaved parents because they have to, not because they want to. Trust me, no matter how tolerant a restaurant may seem, six waiters are in the back talking about the 2,000 Cheerios you are leaving on the floor (even though it is easy and respectful for the patron to help pick those up) and the screaming circle running kid at table 42.
It’s all a matter of teaching and showing respect for everyone around you. My two year old was moving something into the aisle at Saba just this last Sunday.He objected when I moved it back but was okay when I told him he could play with the object in a out of the way area of the restaurant. Waiters are not your babysitters.
Testify, sistah! And it should go without saying that parents like you are NOT who the “Curb Your (Children’s Public) Enthusiam” discussion has been about.
Know what makes me crazy? The dogs running amok at Universal Joint. But that’s just me.
LOL! At least the dogs are outside!
Good point. about dogs in public. Just like children need to behave in public places, so do dogs, with the exception of when they are in public locations intended for dogs to run around in. One of my children loves dogs but the other has been between being terrified and highly uncomfortable around them at different developmental stages. Anyone who doesn’t want to be licked or jumped upon by a dog shouldn’t have to endure that just because they have gone out in public. Of course this applies to all pets but dogs are usually the issue.
This isn’t my burning issue of the day but I thought while we were bashing children, parents, non-parents, restaurant staff, businesses that fail, people who miss those failed businesses, those with theories of why those businesses fail, bashers, and bashees, I’d add this…….
You guys might be interested in this:
Supernanny Open Casting Call!
Saturday October 3rd, 11:00am-3:00PM
Leapin’ Lizards Fun & Party Center
185 Sams Street
Decatur, GA 30030
http://blogs.ajc.com/radio-tv-talk/2009/10/01/supernanny-casting-call/
LOL! That’s probably the most helpful thing anyone has said on this thread!
Someone should re-write this Declaration of Co-Dependence to make it Decatur specific, with special attention to Article II:
http://tinyurl.com/5z9eos
A warning for the sensitive and weak of heart: the link contains strong language.
Hmmm..yeah, I’m not sure if I would’ve posted the actual link– maybe C&Ped the funny parts (of which there are many); but honestly, even the name of the blog made me cringe, wince, and then feel like I’d been slapped (and no, I don’t like that word even when black folk use it– the blogger’s avatar is even worse). Cursing is one thing (hey, even I have a potty mouth), but the racial stereotypes peppered throughout it often spill over into outright slurs. I know you meant well, and were just trying to lighten things up (this topic can get people workin’ on that last nerve), but “strong language” just didn’t give me ample warning!
Sorry if you didn’t feel adequately warned. I can understand your feelings about the content, but I thought it was pretty clearly satire, even the racial stuff (the guy is a pretty well-known NY blogger — maybe the humor doesn’t translate well for our Southern sensibilities?). Obviously people’s perceptions about these things vary, and I probably should have more clearly labelled it as containing offensive, adult humor.
I do understand what you meant, Paula– and what the site was about, so that was why I didn’t get my back up at you over it. I’ve never seen you post anything objectionable here, so I didn’t read anything negative into your motive. I just thought the content would probably blindside someone (as it did me) without some prior explanation.
This Declaration makes all our intra-DM bashing look amateurish. It’s great. Parents and non-parents equally set straight.
I suppose we should have kept Woody around…
I think what people who are “bashing kids” are actually saying is that they don’t mind kids in public places. They don’t mind kids who are acting up. They do mind PARENTS who willfully ignore their misbehaving children as they disturb everyone around them.
98% of parents actually do try to reshape the situation and all of us with kids know sometimes you just can’t; the 2% who don’t are typically real doozies. I don’t understand why I am being intolerant if I don’t want your kids running in circles around my table screaming. I am just asking to live up to your part of the social contract and ask your kids to be respectful of others, then remove them from the situation if they cannot be. I am just asking you to respect the waiters and busboys and at least make an attempt to pick up 2 of your 36,000 Cheerios (or tip 30% for their trouble) and don’t expect them to babysit while you enjoy your wine.
Respect is an earned, mutual thing.
That is all.
Beautifully put. AMEN!
Listen, i think there was this chick who said, i’m a ‘ judgemental’ kid-basher or “non-breeder”
I don’t “kid-bash” i actually love children believe it or not.
The only thing i was saying, was about restaurants, period. RESTAURANTS. Why would this be offensive to anyone?
“We respect the individual, and believe that individuals who are treated with respect and given responsibility respond by giving their best.” If this is too much to ask of someone or their children, they should stay home and make spaghetti or order Chinese in or something. If someone is out and not living up to this, then they should be called on it and if they don’t immediately rectify it, asked to pay their bill and wait for the to go boxes up front and leave the restaurant. It’s just that simple.
Interesting digression, but getting back to the topic at hand — did we ever confirm whether the folks at Saba were ok? Like, nobody was injured and it was “just” a property loss? How awful. I drove by there the other day and noticed the damage, I wondered what had happened – I was worried that the building might have suffered the same fate as those across the street. Glad to hear it is temporary, sorry to hear it happened at all.
Wow, I really started something. I think I will remain neutral but let everyone know that we are holding a “FIRE FIASCO” event at Saba Oakhurst to help us through the beginning stages of this ordeal. There will be bands, djs, drink specials, raffles, silent auction and amusement for the kids (outside). Try to stop by. Thanks for all the support.
I was so sorry to see that you had a fire but I’m glad that no one was hurt. I can’t wait until you’re up and running again so I and all my friends can continue to enjoy! See you at the Fire Fiasco. I’ll leave my kids at home!