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    MM: The Return of DQ, All Cityhood Bills Still Alive, and 36 Hours in Raleigh

    Decatur Metro | March 7, 2014 | 10:37 am

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    52 Responses to “MM: The Return of DQ, All Cityhood Bills Still Alive, and 36 Hours in Raleigh”

    1. Rick Julian says:
      March 7, 2014 at 11:01 am

      from creative loafing:

      “Decatur won’t be participating in Atlanta’s proposed bike share program. Decatur residents prefer that their shared bikes be high gravity, farm raised, and have notes of cinnamon and persimmon so it might be a little while before a similar program takes off there.”

      gotta love the caricatures of us

      • Robert Butera says:
        March 7, 2014 at 1:00 pm

        I found the snarkiness annoying, too. I’m glad someone called them out. I also posted there.

      • At Home in Decatur says:
        March 7, 2014 at 1:21 pm

        Snarky, but funny. I realize this question is showing my lack of hipness but………what does “high gravity” mean?

        • 7.62 x 39 says:
          March 7, 2014 at 1:38 pm

          High gravity means when something is really really serious.

          • smalltowngal says:
            March 7, 2014 at 1:41 pm

            +10

        • Keith F says:
          March 7, 2014 at 1:42 pm

          High gravity is connected to beers. High gravity usually thought to be more to the liking of a connoisseur.

          • At Home in Decatur says:
            March 7, 2014 at 1:49 pm

            Thank you. As in high specific gravity. I actually believed 7.62X39 there for a moment but I was getting suspicious when I saw that STG had posted +10. Can’t wait to find out the reply if I ask what “7.62 X 39” stands for.

            • Keith F says:
              March 7, 2014 at 2:10 pm

              Ammunition.

          • Rick Julian says:
            March 7, 2014 at 1:49 pm

            or as we St. Bernardus high gravity lovers say, “done in 2”.

        • The Walrus says:
          March 7, 2014 at 2:14 pm

          I thought it was hilarious. And “High Gravity” refers to high alcohol content.

    2. Bulldog says:
      March 7, 2014 at 11:07 am

      You know, I’m glad Lyn Menne finds the whole DQ situation funny. Not something to joke about, considering it’s a family run business that has been here for 30+ years.

      • Rival says:
        March 7, 2014 at 1:19 pm

        I don’t think she was making fun of it. I think Lyn is dealing with the situation in a light-hearted way, and I don’t blame her. I would do that too if I were being judged as “killing” a business by strangers who only know what they read online.

      • Revenue Neutral Household says:
        March 7, 2014 at 1:53 pm

        I didn’t read her comments that way either. It sounded like she has really worked closely with the Momin family and that she tried to work through a number of scenarios with them.

        • Bulldog says:
          March 7, 2014 at 4:52 pm

          So what’s the real story?

          • Revenue Neutral Household says:
            March 7, 2014 at 7:37 pm

            I don’t understand your question.

            • Bulldog says:
              March 7, 2014 at 7:52 pm

              Question was to rival, who apparently knows something.

    3. brianc says:
      March 7, 2014 at 12:33 pm

      I wonder why the DQ owners were so opposed to moving from that particular spot, especially if the City was willing to waive the drive-thru prohibition?

    4. Helvetia says:
      March 7, 2014 at 2:00 pm

      I know what 7.62×39 means….

      • The Walrus says:
        March 7, 2014 at 2:16 pm

        And it is certainly not welcome in Decatur!

        • Revenue Neutral Household says:
          March 7, 2014 at 2:30 pm

          Why would someone want or need AK-47 ammunition in Decatur? Aside from the fact that it’s your constitutional right to have it. Why would you need it? I’m honestly asking.

          • DEM says:
            March 7, 2014 at 2:38 pm

            You have never seen Red Dawn, have you? Well, when Putin decides to invade the USA by air-dropping Cuban commandos into Decatur, you’ll be glad those AK-47s are around.

            Wolverines!

            • Revenue Neutral Household says:
              March 7, 2014 at 2:40 pm

              Funny. Is this a serious answer?

              • The Walrus says:
                March 7, 2014 at 2:46 pm

                You want an answer? Ultimately, it’s not my business or yours why someone would want this ammo. Maybe they sport shoot. Maybe they just collect ammo, like some people collect stamps. Maybe they believe in zombies. Maybe they fear the government. Who knows? I don’t care.

                • Revenue Neutral Household says:
                  March 7, 2014 at 2:47 pm

                  That is a helpful answer, Walrus. Thanks.

              • DEM says:
                March 7, 2014 at 2:58 pm

                “Is this a serious answer?”

                Yes, absolutely, positively 100% serious. I would add that many people might also want AK-47 ammo in case any off-shore nuclear testing should awaken a 400 foot tall, fire-breathing lizard. Cause, you never know . . .

          • 7.62 x 39 says:
            March 7, 2014 at 2:59 pm

            Strictly sport shooting, not home defense, hunting or keeping the government at bay. It’s not fully automatic and works like any other semi-auto rifle. Surprisingly, it is one of the cheapest calibers out there, which is a plus.

            I’m not here to offend anti-gunners. I was just expressing my enjoyment of a hobby I’ve participated in since I was a kid.

            • The Walrus says:
              March 7, 2014 at 3:28 pm

              The problem is that is just looks so menacing! Seriously, people do believe that it is an automatic weapon.

              • Revenue Neutral Household says:
                March 7, 2014 at 3:50 pm

                I could care less what it looks like. But it does matter to me that semi-automatic weapons have been used in more than 25 mass shootings since Columbine.

              • Revenue Neutral Household says:
                March 7, 2014 at 4:03 pm

                I could care less what it looks like. But it does matter to me that semi-automatic weapons have been used in more than 25 mass shootings since Columbine.

                • The Walrus says:
                  March 7, 2014 at 4:06 pm

                  You do know that even a revolver is a semi-automatic weapon, right?

                  • Revenue Neutral Household says:
                    March 7, 2014 at 7:01 pm

                    Do not condescend. It is not persuasive. I asked you an honest question with an open mind. And that is something you will rarely find in such a polarized debate.
                    In any event, I don’t think you’re correct on this point. We are talking about what causes the next round to come into firing position. With a true semi automatic, The gun cycles and a new round is ready for firing. With a revolver, the empty casing stays under the pin. There is no new bullet in firing position until you cycle it yourself. So, no. Unless it is double action, a revolver is not a semi automatic weapon. Daddy taught me to shoot when I turned 12.

                    This thread has become a great example of how snark and jabs take this board on some wild tangents. Red Dawn, Godzilla, and revolvers. You guys really are too much.

                    • 7.62 x 39 says:
                      March 7, 2014 at 9:12 pm

                      You are 100% correct about the difference between a revolver and a semi-automatic, and thank you for saving me the trouble of explaining it.

                      You asked a question about why someone would need AK-47 ammo in Decatur. I took your question seriously, and I hope I answered it without condescension or insults. The simple fact is, I like shooting. I’ve done it most of my life, and have a varied collection, of which the AK is only a part. To me, it is a hobby which, when done safely, can be a fun and exciting sport. Although I view it no differently than hobbies such as woodworking, ham radio or restoring old cars, I do recognize it can be a polarizing subject. As I mentioned before, my screen name is really just an expression of one of my favorite things to do.

                      And now back to a more important issue. I already miss DQ and hope they return soon.

                      • Revenue Neutral Household says:
                        March 7, 2014 at 9:54 pm

                        Yes, you did. Much respect. Thanks.

                    • The Walrus says:
                      March 10, 2014 at 8:31 am

                      I was not trying to be condescending or snarky. I apologize if that is how it came across. My point was that your statistic doesn’t mean much as a significant amount of guns out there are semi-automatic. But when you throw a statistic out there like that, it is meant to elicit an image that the weapons used were all assault style weapons, when that is not the case. And yes, I should have stated a double action revolver, but since almost all revolvers now are double action, I didn’t feel the distinction was necessary.

          • smalltowngal says:
            March 7, 2014 at 3:43 pm

            We needed it this morning on this blog, to puncture what otherwise surely would have become a hopelessly over-inflated bladder of collective self-regard.

            • Bin Birru says:
              March 9, 2014 at 6:45 am

              The Walrus, aaaannnnnd, he’s gone.

              • The Walrus says:
                March 10, 2014 at 8:33 am

                At least you didn’t write, “that’s numberwang!” 😉

    5. Rob says:
      March 7, 2014 at 2:24 pm

      Lyn, We want you to move out of your house & build a new one. Sound good?

      Exactly what she did to the DQ

      • Revenue Neutral Household says:
        March 7, 2014 at 2:27 pm

        And DQ could not refuse?

      • DawgFan says:
        March 7, 2014 at 3:39 pm

        Wow, is that what you took from the articles? She couldn’t have forced them out if she wanted to.

      • smalltowngal says:
        March 7, 2014 at 3:52 pm

        Honestly, I am about to roll out of my chair laughing at the idea of Lyn Menne, of all people, being cast as the nefarious arch-villain of this or any piece. Considering how hard she and her staff work, and what the Downtown Development Authority has accomplished (and averted) over the past 20 years, it’s ludicrous. Not to mention that she’s one of the nicest, most congenial folks you’ll run into around Decatur.

        I make room for the possibility that in retrospect, this whole DQ thing might have been handled better–I don’t know because I don’t know every single detail about what happened and what could have happened, nor do I possess much background understanding of how these kinds of deals come together (and come apart, and come together again). Then again, it could be that Lyn and the DDA did every single thing precisely as it should have been done, given their charge. In any case, criticism that boils down to personalized sniping without exhibiting any of that kind of understanding, has no credibility, Rob.

        • Rival says:
          March 7, 2014 at 4:02 pm

          Well said.

        • Geoff says:
          March 7, 2014 at 4:04 pm

          +1
          Most likely, Lyn Menne has cumulatively done more positive things for Decatur than anyone in the city’s history.

          • JC says:
            March 8, 2014 at 3:00 pm

            +1

        • brianc says:
          March 7, 2014 at 4:27 pm

          I’ve been careful to consider both sides of the issue over DQ, and I agree there has been too much personal criticism from people who probably don’t know what actually happened. There’s also been too many arguments based on emotion and sentimentality, including the whole “I had my first hot dog there” argument, which is irrelevant to whether or not the property should be redeveloped or if the process was handled properly. But I am in favor of people having more information about how these development deals were and are handled by the City.

      • Diane Loupe says:
        March 7, 2014 at 4:22 pm

        I believe that the DQ operators did not own their building, so your analogy isn’t quite correct.

        • Rob says:
          March 7, 2014 at 9:03 pm

          I agree that Lyn has been awesome at revitalizing Decatur. But in this case the city chose the developer over the family run business. In their own words the Momins told us in various interviews that Lyn & the city talked them out of buying the property. I am simply staring the facts. The Momins were at that corner 30 years ago when nobody wanted the property. The development could have been built and left them where they were.

          • Diane Loupe says:
            March 10, 2014 at 12:07 pm

            Rob, I don’t know who you are IRL, because of the tradition of anonymity here. I am uncomfortable criticizing a public official for allegedly saying something based on hearsay from an anonymous post. I’m just saying that I THINK the DQ owners did not own that property, which is why the owners of the property had the right to move them. Interviews with the DQ family? For publication? Lawsuits?

      • Daydreamer says:
        March 9, 2014 at 10:57 am

        It definitely sounds like the city had something up their sleeve when they offered them a deal to good to refuse, but there’s got to be a level of personal responsibility here. He admits he’s 70 something years old and this is whole family’s financial earnings and future. It’s hard to understand why he wouldn’t consult with a lawyer, (if he didn’t.), and why in the hell he would take such a frivolous gamble with so much to lose. It’s fine to joke you live in Mayberry, but the government’s entire means of survival is to separate people from as much as their earnings as they will tolerate, and to do what is in their own best interest. Why would they risk it all on, “trust us, this is good for you?”

    6. AMB says:
      March 7, 2014 at 4:08 pm

      Annexation. When? Any news on this front?

      • Deanne says:
        March 8, 2014 at 12:04 pm

        MANA has a very candid statement on how it’s affecting our nearby neighbors. I can’t for the life of me understand how Mary Margaret Oliver thought that this was an okay thing for her to do:
        http://www.medlockpark.org/2014/03/mana-statement-to-ga-legislature.html

        Also (in case folks missed it):
        http://www.medlockpark.org/2014/02/moratorium-motion.html

        • nelliebelle1197 says:
          March 9, 2014 at 10:17 am

          I have often thought that about Mary Margaret Oliver based on things she does in her other career. I am glad someone else finally said this about her, Deanne!


         


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