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    Free-For-All Friday 9/26/14

    Decatur Metro | September 26, 2014 | 7:41 am

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    127 Responses to “Free-For-All Friday 9/26/14”

    1. Oakhurst3 says:
      September 26, 2014 at 7:53 am

      Good morning everyone! We recently lost our housekeeper of 10+ years and are looking for someone new. We hope to upgrade our service a little bit and find someone who has a car and will also run some errands for us. This is a 1 day per week job and includes laundry. Any recommendations appreciated!

    2. Nancy Wilkinson says:
      September 26, 2014 at 9:18 am

      Reminder that our Bone Yard Sale is tomorrow. Decorations for home and yard. Costumes, both kids and adults. Material for making decorations. One slightly used Viking ship. And a mermaid. Lots of other non-Halloween items as well since we cleaned out the shed and attic while digging up Halloween. Proceeds benefit English Springer Rescue America. Sale at 205 Adair Street.
      Pictures of items are being posted in Bone Yard Sale photo album on the Boneyard Buckaroos Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/BoneyardBuckaroos

    3. trp30030 says:
      September 26, 2014 at 9:22 am

      Looking for recommendation for a custom framing place other than Micheals (I have used them in the past with mixed results and the last time was a horrible experience and vow never to use them again if I can avoid it). Thanks!

      • Russ says:
        September 26, 2014 at 9:27 am

        We use Antonio Raimo in Miami Circle. It’s worth a visit just to browse his massive book collection.

      • Parker Cross says:
        September 26, 2014 at 9:30 am

        Rose Squared, of course. 111 Clairemont, right downtown. Lovely work.

      • GM says:
        September 26, 2014 at 9:34 am

        We’ve had good experiences with Briarcliff Frame Shop.

      • Swillard says:
        September 26, 2014 at 10:57 am

        Artifacts on Boulevard is excellent.

        • Lynne says:
          September 26, 2014 at 6:07 pm

          Amen to Artifacts.

      • fisbn says:
        September 26, 2014 at 9:26 pm

        MOOG Gallery is the best,on Mclendon,next to Flying Biscuit

    4. smith says:
      September 26, 2014 at 9:30 am

      I noticed there is another bicycle “parked” (actually blocking a parking space and chained to the curb) near Adair Park. This one is in a marked parking space in front of the townhomes on Trinity. I know there has been a debate on here in the past as to whether this is OK in reference to the bike “parked” on Adair. This is why they call it the slippery slope. Maybe in the future we can add a bike chained to the curb in front of the buildings on the city logo.

      • parker says:
        September 26, 2014 at 9:42 am

        This intrigues me. Would anyone face any legal repercussions by placing the bikes onto the property and parking there?

        • Chewey says:
          September 26, 2014 at 10:20 am

          Why would you as long as you don’t damage the property?

      • DogPark1 says:
        September 26, 2014 at 9:49 am

        As a long time dog parker, who parks in front of the park… the curmudgeon that lives there has successfully utilized an orange cone methodology to deter anyone from parking on the public street.

        I guess they are following the tactic of their neighbor on the other side of the park with two worthless bikes.

        Going into the park I am fueled by the stress of my day and plan out the fantastic ways I would like to decorate “their spot” but by the time the dog park chills me out, I could not care less.

        • Chewey says:
          September 26, 2014 at 10:30 am

          Meh. That orange cone wasn’t such a deterrent to this grumpy Catholic on Sunday mornings, which probably motivated the masonry work. Simply and carefully placing the cone on the grass made that space available.

          FWIW, I do carry guilt about doing it because I was probably violating Matthew 7:12 and/or Luke 6:31.

          • At Home in Decatur says:
            September 26, 2014 at 10:32 am

            That’s what the sacrament of confession is for.

          • Daydreamer says:
            September 26, 2014 at 11:02 am

            It’s interesting you bring this up. Lately I only get time to bike on Sunday mornings. And I occasionally wonder if half the people intentionally trying to murder me so they can get to church faster, think about their actions while they’re doing it, at least on Sunday mornings. Yes, I know they may not all be going to church, but it’s really the only time I’m surprised I’m getting run off the road though.

        • J_T says:
          September 26, 2014 at 12:57 pm

          Heh. As someone who has an intense desire to run over those bikes every time I drive down Adair, I have to admit that some of the comments from the guy’s defenders do make good points. But then there are others calling people who disagree with them entitled and telling them to shut their pitiful mouths up. So now I’m back to wanting to run the bikes over, but refraining from doing so not because it would be inherently wrong but because I’m fearful of what his even crazier neighbors might do to me! Well played, Adair residents, well played…

          • DEM says:
            September 26, 2014 at 1:33 pm

            Wasn’t there a Twilight Zone episode in which the lights go out in a neighborhood, and, as the neighbors eventually start to kill one another, it’s revealed that aliens cut out the lights to study how humans would react to so small a provocation? Well, the writers didn’t even need to go that far. Just park a few bikes on the street and watch out. . . .

            • At Home in Decatur says:
              September 26, 2014 at 1:35 pm

              It’s scary how prescient some of those Twilight Zone episodes were…

      • Al says:
        September 26, 2014 at 9:53 am

        Whether or not it is legal, it’s obnoxious, and it contributes toward the perception that the neighborhood is unfriendly.

        • Annie says:
          September 26, 2014 at 10:13 am

          Yes, it’s incredibly obnoxious. Has anyone ever spoken to the people on Adair about the bikes? Is it possible they don’t know how unfriendly and selfish they look to the community, and how often it’s been discussed here?

          • DEM says:
            September 26, 2014 at 10:44 am

            It’s art, of course! A bold statement in favor of walkability and against the internal combustion engine, that menace to pedestrians everywhere.

          • Diane Loupe says:
            September 26, 2014 at 11:13 am

            Hi, there. You know what we on Adair think is incredibly rude? People who use our street as a cut through without slowing down for stop signs, letting us get out of our driveways, and speeding. It’s a narrow street, with barely enough room for one car to get through, much less two. People need to take turns, but they often don’t. Many of us don’t have garages and have to park on the street. So he parks some bikes on the street. The city doesn’t provide off-street parking for that park, which also lacks restrooms and water fountains. I think this upsets people from other neighborhoods more than us. We walk to the park, so parking our cars isn’t a problem.

            Having those bikes there actually creates more space for cars to pass each other on that portion of the street.

            • stearns says:
              September 26, 2014 at 11:55 am

              Diane is absolutely correct. Those bikes are actually doing all drivers a favor since otherwise there would be no space to duck into when one meets an oncoming car along that awfully long blind curve.

            • Arriba says:
              September 26, 2014 at 3:04 pm

              Diane – I agree it must be annoying living on Adair with all the law-breakers, but currently the law is that there is parking on two-sides of the street.

              I implore you and your neighbors to start a petition to change the parking laws (not sure who would be in charge – the City or the County.) I’d even sign it. I would find Adair a much more pleasant drive/ride, if it had parking only on one side.
              Then ask the city to park a police cruiser there and ticket all the stop-sign runners and speeders for a month to get the point across (and raise some city funds!)

              Until that happens, the bike thing is obnoxious, un-neighborly, and probably illegal.

              • Scott says:
                September 26, 2014 at 3:17 pm

                All this focus on tight space and automotive convenience on Adair misses the fact that that choke point in front of the park ensures that traffic next to where kids are playing averages around 15-20mph. Being hit by a car at that speed has a survival rate over 90%, while half the people hit at 30mph die.

                Drive slow. Wait a turn. It won’t kill ya.

              • Helvetia says:
                September 26, 2014 at 3:47 pm

                Actually on Adair, parking is NOT allowed on both sides of the street. Parking is only allowed on the right side of the street as one travels from Ponce de Leon to West Howard.

              • Diane Loupe says:
                September 28, 2014 at 7:03 pm

                Arriba, no one in my neighborhood is inconvenienced by Sam’s bikes, at all. In fact, those bikes make that section of the street safer.
                Why would we want to start a petition? If you think the neighborhood is unfriendly, I tell you what to do. Don’t drive through it.

                There’s a church with an entire parking lot across the dog park from this street. There’s always places to park on the street, just NOT RIGHT IN FRONT.

                • parker says:
                  September 29, 2014 at 3:05 pm

                  Why would we want to start a petition?”

                  Because what that guy is doing now might be an untenable (and possibly illegal) way of addressing the traffic concerns (even though he apparently isn’t doing it for that reason), and might end if enough people gripe about it”

                  “If you think the neighborhood is unfriendly, I tell you what to do. Don’t drive through it.”

                  I don’t drive through it. I do occasionally go to the park, though, and would like to park my car in a space where it’s legal to do so. Is the park only for those who can walk to it?

          • cf says:
            September 26, 2014 at 12:14 pm

            These people are nuts !!!! If you have ever talked to Sam, who has lived on Adair for many many years, he is the nicest man. He gives out free vegetables to whom ever asks him. He puts bicycles there because people dont have enough sense to not knock over his plants with car doors. So.. please.. if you have to say anything bad about this area – shut up and keep it your pififul self – dont you have better things to worry about in life than complain about a bicycle parked in a small residential street that helps calm traffic? Please tell me you have better things to do.. why I’m even responding to these morons I dont know…

            • Pythagoras says:
              September 26, 2014 at 1:24 pm

              I don’t know why you responded either. “It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.”

          • Macarolina says:
            September 28, 2014 at 8:26 pm

            One guy makes a whole neighborhood unfriendly? There are mixed feeling about the Adair bikes in the ‘hood- we don’t support the action, others do. Either way, we don’t have control over it, so please come walk around the area and catch some friendly greetings from the neighbors- there is plenty of friendliness to go around.

            • Al says:
              September 28, 2014 at 8:31 pm

              Annie didn’t say the neighborhood seemed unfriendly. Only that the guy who blocks people from using parking that belongs to everyone seems unfriendly.

        • Daydreamer says:
          September 26, 2014 at 11:05 am

          I think the most amazing house on Adair that’s decorated for every occasion under the sun, gives the impression that Adair is the most friendly neighborhood in Decatur. I wonder if she ever got her skeleton back?

          • Nancy Wilkinson says:
            September 26, 2014 at 11:11 am

            Thanks, Daydreamer. I did not get Kris the Skeleton back. Still ticks me off that it happened, but it hasn’t stopped me from decorating. Although I am a little more careful about leaving more expensive props outside now. And I have security cameras installed.
            Come by our Halloween yard sale tomorrow if you want to pick up some decorations for your yard – make your street look insanely friendly too!

            • Daydreamer says:
              September 26, 2014 at 2:44 pm

              I won’t be able to make it, but adore your decor, it always makes me smile.

      • Chewey says:
        September 26, 2014 at 10:22 am

        I noticed this as well. There is actually an eyebolt cemented into a crack in the curb to allow the bike to be secured! Wonder if public works knows or cares about the eyebolt…

        • just for thought says:
          September 26, 2014 at 11:01 am

          A similar situation takes place on the street near the entry to the 4 / 5 center. Someone has been placing two orange cones there. In that situation my truck is large enough I just run them over on a regular basis and they are now quite squashed! I think someone needs to just run down the bicycles and leave a note that said whoops!

          it is a public street after all. Peoples sense of entitlement amazes me these days!

          • Daydreamer says:
            September 26, 2014 at 11:11 am

            If someone never moved their car, would you think it would be ok to slam into and leave a note that said whoops? Because I’m pretty sure that’s illegal and I would have no problem seeing you in handcuffs for either act, and if it were my car or bike, you absolutely would be. Why don’t all you interweb Rambo guys who have such an issue with this, maybe do something neighborly, like introduce yourself? Speak if he is outside, etc… I guess that would be a little too decent.

            • Diane Loupe says:
              September 26, 2014 at 11:15 am

              Yeah, I think the people with the sense of entitlement are those upset because they cannot park immediately in front of a neighborhood park, Daydreamer.

              • Revenue Neutral Household says:
                September 26, 2014 at 3:28 pm

                Nope. If someone parked their car on the street and never moved it, the car could be ticketed and towed for being an abandoned car.

                • Scott says:
                  September 26, 2014 at 3:30 pm

                  Someone (Steve?) may correct me on this but I believe so long as you have a current registration sticker on a car, it can be legally stored on the street for however long you want.

                  • Steve says:
                    September 26, 2014 at 3:43 pm

                    I don’t know for sure – check with DPD. I imagine the owner of the current registration would need to have some connection with the area where the car is. And, the car could not be an hazard to traffic.

                  • Squirrel-Headed Bastard says:
                    September 26, 2014 at 5:39 pm

                    I don’t know the law either, but there’s been a stupid yellow kit Jeep, not even a real Jeep, slowly rusting and mildewing away on Shadowmoor Drive for the last 15 years. Whether it’s legal or not, it’s un-neighborly.

                • Diane Loupe says:
                  September 28, 2014 at 7:04 pm

                  He moves those bikes every once in a while. I’ve lived on the street for 23 years.

            • Chewey says:
              September 26, 2014 at 11:32 am

              Daydreamer – Be honest. When have you, as a cyclist, EVER taken an automobile spot instead of a rack, tree, or other post when parking your bike? Why do I ask?

              No matter how you rationalize it, taking those spots with bikes is selfish and obnoxious. The argument that “if it was a car taking the spot – you wouldn’t care” doesn’t hold. Bikes can be parked quite easily out of the way (and who parks a bike is a car spot anyway)? When someone parks a car along the street its because they have a genuine need – not because they actively want to prevent others from using it, which is exactly what the Adair guy and now the Trinitiy spot are doing. Laying claim to public property in order to prevent them from being inconvenienced. Not to mention BOTH of these places have off street parking. I believe the Trinity one even has a covered garage! Why leave the bike in the elements when you have all that impervious surface to protect.

              • parker says:
                September 26, 2014 at 1:07 pm

                I agree. He’s not using the bicycles for transportation, only to block people from parking there. Other people are allowed to park there. When most people park there, they stay for a short time, watch their kids at the playground, and leave. The bicycles are there all the time. People who have a right to park are not responsible for the actions of speeders and inconsiderate drivers, or for the narrowness of the road.

                • stearns says:
                  September 26, 2014 at 1:36 pm

                  Ideally there should be no or limited street parking along that stretch of curve, IMHO. Those bikes are the only things that make it possible to get through that section most of the time.

                  • parker says:
                    September 26, 2014 at 1:42 pm

                    That might be the case.

                    • Diane Loupe says:
                      September 28, 2014 at 7:05 pm

                      No maybe about it.

                • M1 says:
                  September 26, 2014 at 1:58 pm

                  I think if you choose to live right across the street from a public park, you should understand that doing so means traffic, parked cars and noise. I think it’s incredibly rude to park the bike on the street.

            • just for thought says:
              September 26, 2014 at 11:39 am

              hand cuffs those could be fun!
              Clearly you read way too much into my comment but that is the norm for some of the people on this site (not all). Say one thing that is not 100% PC, or maybe pro-development, oh no something about killing trees and people get a bit crazy. It makes me smile each time and gives me some good office talk so please keep it up.

          • At Home in Decatur says:
            September 26, 2014 at 11:26 am

            Not sure if this is the house you are referring to but there is, or used to be, an older home across from the entry of FAVE that has very elderly and handicapped residents, more than one generation. My impression is that they need the space in front of their house kept clear for wheelchair access when vans or other vehicles come to pick them up. When FAVE first opened, they were perceived as being “complainers’, but when some of us started inviting them over to events because we saw visiting children of an appropriate age there, they opened up and actually became quite friendly. Also, that street used to have problems with FAVE families parking in front of their mailboxes during the workday and then the P.O. not delivering the mail. Sometimes there’s more to the story than is evident initially.

            • Village W Idiot says:
              September 26, 2014 at 5:25 pm

              +1

          • Cannonball says:
            September 26, 2014 at 12:08 pm

            I have noticed a couple of homes near Fave that block the street for parking but those homes do not have driveways In this case I think it’s a perfectly reasonable action to take, particularly when there are school events and very busy drop off and pick up times when parents take up parking for blocks around. Now in the case of Adair park guy, [edited no name calling] Our home is near a Decatur park and a small apartment complex and folks park on the street in front of our house frequently. I don’t love it but I have a driveway like Adair guy and would never dream of blocking the public street in front of my house solely to prevent others from using that public space.

      • Wponcer says:
        September 26, 2014 at 1:31 pm

        I am pretty sure the parking spot on Trinity that has recently switched from a cone to a bike is not a public spot. Those spots are reserved for the people that live in the cluster homes next to the spots. You might take a look at the sign nearby if you are really wanting to move the bike and park there, but I wouldn’t, especially with the police station so close. Sam on the other hand, is blocking public spots on Adair, but there is usually quite a bit of parking nearby, so what does it really hurt? I don’t blame him since he is protecting his garden. Around the corner, we have often had our mailbox and drive blocked by people parking, trash is thrown daily on our curb and sidewalk, and we have even witnessed people pulling into our driveway to use our front yard (not the drive but actual yard) to do a turn around. I can see how he has gotten grumpy.

        • Chewey says:
          September 26, 2014 at 3:06 pm

          “I am pretty sure the parking spot on Trinity that has recently switched from a cone to a bike is not a public spot.”

          Sorry, It IS a “public spot”, but you are essentially correct. A sign is posted and a city ordinance [98-09 (b) (25) or (32)] designates it as a “resident only zone”

          “Those spots are reserved for the people that live in the cluster homes next to the spots.”

          And that is just wrong. CoD has reserved preferred parking for those particular residents, who happen to live across from or near community resources, even though those residents have PLENTY of off street parking.

          • Wponcer says:
            September 26, 2014 at 4:24 pm

            Chewey,
            I do not agree with the way you interpret this. I copied the whole description from the city municode site:
            “Sec. 98-9. Resident parking only districts.permanent link to this piece of content

            (a)
            Resident parking only districts are those streets or parts of streets in residentially zoned areas of the city designated by the city commission where parking on the designated street or part of the street is permitted only for residents of the designated street or part of the street, for the guests and visitors of such residents and for commercial vehicles making deliveries to such residents. When a street or part of a street has been designated as such by the city commission and a sign with the legend “resident parking only” has or have been erected, it shall be unlawful for any person other than those permitted by this section to park a vehicle on such street or part of street.”
            then section b lists “(20) West Trinity Place, south side, from Commerce to Electric Avenue.”

            I read that as it is for the cluster homes only, plus their guests and their deliveries. there are no other residents on that road on that stretch. I do not read that as residents of decatur, but residents of that part of the street. This is similar to the neighborhoods behind Taqueria that are resident only, meaning that street resident only.

            • At Home in Decatur says:
              September 26, 2014 at 4:51 pm

              Or the residents on the street next to the Rec Center.

            • smith says:
              September 27, 2014 at 3:14 pm

              So if you live there and a non-resident parks there, you call the police and ask them to ticket the car. It is not OK to permanently block the spot.

    5. bt says:
      September 26, 2014 at 9:30 am

      The expert who cleaned my oil paintings recommended Rose Squared Gallery
      & Framing (111 Clairemont Ave, Decatur). Haven’t tried them yet, but plan to.

      • Living innDecatur says:
        September 26, 2014 at 9:52 am

        Was your expert also a restorer? Did you have a good experience? If so contact details would be great!

      • spreak says:
        September 27, 2014 at 11:12 am

        We are also have a canvas needing restoration and would appreciate a recommendation.

        • bt says:
          September 27, 2014 at 9:53 pm

          check the website
          www(dot)leonoraweaver(dot)com
          [hoping this way won’t need to be “moderated”]

    6. At Home in Decatur says:
      September 26, 2014 at 10:18 am

      Long history of this issue on this blog…. Just google Decatur Metro Adair bicycles.

    7. Nancy Wilkinson says:
      September 26, 2014 at 11:15 am

      Bone Yard Sale tomorrow. Decorations for home and yard. Costumes, both kids and adults. Material for making decorations. One slightly used Viking ship. And a mermaid. Lots of other non-Halloween items as well since we cleaned out the shed and attic while digging up Halloween. Proceeds benefit English Springer Rescue America. Sale at 205 Adair Street.
      Pictures of items are being posted in Bone Yard Sale photo album on the Boneyard Buckaroos Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/BoneyardBuckaroos

    8. Trevor says:
      September 26, 2014 at 11:22 am

      A friend of mine has convinced to try Krav Maga. I don’t find any gyms in the Decatur/candler Park neighborhoods. Any suggestions?

      • outoftowngirl says:
        September 26, 2014 at 2:17 pm

        Look into the Fitwit program. It is a bootcamp, but also a great community of people! It is not a gym, but rather there are scheduled workout times.

      • J_T says:
        September 26, 2014 at 2:56 pm

        There’s nothing in this immediate area unless it’s opened in the past few months. A friend of ours who’s into krav stayed with us for two months earlier this year and he drove to Dunwoody or some such OTP place for it because he couldn’t find anything more convenient. If I recall correctly, there’s a place in Buckhead/Lenox, but he didn’t like that one for some reason.

      • daggerscar says:
        September 26, 2014 at 5:50 pm

        Try boxing! Decatur Boxing Club on New Street is old school Philly meets Decatur! Collegiate atmosphere, professional trainers. Ultimate cross training for baseball, tennis, etc. I’m not an owner, just a client.

    9. decaturite16 says:
      September 26, 2014 at 11:23 am

      After almost 14 very happy years in what will always be my favorite town, I am being transferred somewhere far away. I need to sell my townhome. Any recommendations on real estate agents?

      • M1 says:
        September 26, 2014 at 11:52 am

        Richard Reid – DirectLink Realty

      • J_T says:
        September 26, 2014 at 12:41 pm

        I’m sure that my friend Conner Allred could help. Good local guy who knows the Decatur area as well as anyone.

        http://www.marshallberch.com/team/a-l/conner-allred/

        • daggerscar says:
          September 26, 2014 at 5:51 pm

          Hmmm, he’s my neighbor.

        • dlb says:
          September 26, 2014 at 6:48 pm

          Conner Allred is an awesome guy. I highly recommend him.

      • FM Fats says:
        September 26, 2014 at 4:18 pm

        Jack Regan at Common Ground. 404-354-3966.

      • Kelly Walsh says:
        September 26, 2014 at 6:12 pm

        Decaturite16: I’m a residential realtor here in Decatur and would like to win your business! http://www.adamsrealtors.com/our-team/our-agents/kelly-walsh/

      • Kaamarama says:
        September 26, 2014 at 10:48 pm

        Margie sold our home in Oakhurst and helped us find/buy our town home in Decatur.
        http://www.marshallberch.com/team/m-z/margie-j-shine/

    10. Nathan says:
      September 26, 2014 at 11:29 am

      Is there something like Google Voice that’s available around here? That is, some way to get a number that’ll ring at another number, so one can use one’s personal phone as a small business phone? Thanks!

      • Keith F says:
        September 26, 2014 at 1:14 pm

        Yes. Google Voice.

        • Nathan says:
          September 26, 2014 at 4:31 pm

          There are no more local #’s available. Nothing in GA.

          • Keith F says:
            September 26, 2014 at 5:00 pm

            Oh, that’s very interesting. Have you tried going back and looking a few days later. I remember when I was setting mine up, I didn’t like the numbers available, and then later some better ones popped up. That was a number of years ago, however.

    11. Deanne says:
      September 26, 2014 at 1:21 pm

      Hey Decatur Heights neighbors! There will be a Decatur Heights Neighborhood Association (DHNA) Meeting on Saturday, 27th at 4:30PM. Details are on the DHNA site, Decatur Heights Neighbors Google Group, Sycamore Station Yahoo Group, and Sycamore Ridge Facebook page. All neighbors are encouraged to participate. Hope to see you there! :0)

    12. outoftowngirl says:
      September 26, 2014 at 2:18 pm

      Does anyone know where I can take paint to recycle it?

      • RScott says:
        September 26, 2014 at 3:33 pm

        The Presby church on Scott blvd has had paint recycling drives before but it is not cheap. They won’t take mixed paint though. If you have a relatively small amount, you can pour kitty litter or another corn-based drying mix from Ace hardware into the paint can, and stir until it dries out. just leave them out with the trash with the lids off the cans and the city will pick it up as normal.

      • EcoNuke says:
        September 26, 2014 at 3:37 pm

        Decatur Pres. did this last year. I was able to get rid of about 25 cans the former owners “gifted” me with out in the shed.

      • daggerscar says:
        September 26, 2014 at 5:54 pm

        My buddy just texted me that Dekalb Co was doing a day in October. October 18.

    13. Kelly Walsh says:
      September 26, 2014 at 6:04 pm

      Hey Decatur – Get your ART on this year at The Oakhurst Arts Run 5K! This year, Decatur Education Foundation and the Decatur Arts Alliance are partnering to put on a fun race open to all comers and you can even tie-dye your t-shirt after. Race starts nice and late at 9am so you can stay and roll right into the festival starting nearby at 10am. All proceeds will support art grants (in our schools and community) as well as the Mary Miller Decatur Youth Fund which provides scholarships for low-income students to participate in city programs. Get more details and register here:
      http://def.xorbia.com/oakhurst-arts-run-5k/xt/?referral=xt-buy-tix

    14. Matthew says:
      September 26, 2014 at 10:13 pm

      Does anyone have any knowledge or guesses at how many children in the City of Decatur school system are not vaccinated? How common or uncommon is that here?

      • brianc says:
        September 27, 2014 at 8:57 am

        I thought vaccination was required to enroll? Seems like that was the case when I was a kid.

        • smalltowngal says:
          September 27, 2014 at 9:28 am

          http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-vaccination-crisis-20140903-column.html

          The increase in “personal belief” exemptions from the vaccination requirement is compromising public health in some areas of the country. I, too, am curious about whether it has taken hold in Decatur. People like to get exercised about start times and bus routes and vacation calendars, but THIS is something energetic parents need to be keeping an eye on.

          • At Home in Decatur says:
            September 27, 2014 at 11:55 am

            I think it would been more likely to take hold back when we were a crunchier and more alternative community. Of course, there’s more and more anti-big government types around. Do those folks immunize their kids?

            • DEM says:
              September 28, 2014 at 5:57 pm

              Of course they do. In fact, there was an Op ed in the Journal about this just a few weeks ago and the author noted that unvaccinated kids were concentrated in wealthy, educated, and deep blue locales. IT doesn’t seem to be an anti-government thing so much as pure superstition. I’ll bet you see a lot of it in the crowds that treat GMO foods as poison.

              • At Home in Decatur says:
                September 28, 2014 at 6:27 pm

                Had to look up GMO–I would have thought that the acronym for genetically modified would be GM. IMHO, the value or harm from genetically modifying something depends on the end result. The selective breeding of crops by farmers has been going on for thousands of years and has fed the world. On the other hand, genetically modifying organisms to become agents of bioterrorism is not so good. And even food agriculture can result in ecological disasters like the Saharan Desert.

          • brianc says:
            September 27, 2014 at 12:11 pm

            “The increase in “personal belief” exemptions from the vaccination requirement is compromising public health in some areas of the country. ”

            The world would be better off if far less deference were given to “personal beliefs”.

          • s says:
            September 27, 2014 at 12:54 pm

            Georgia does not allow “philosophical exemptions.”

            • smalltowngal says:
              September 27, 2014 at 6:27 pm

              That is good to know. Hope it stays that way. Thanks!

              • dsw says:
                September 28, 2014 at 11:21 am

                With all the CDC employees in Decatur, I imagine anybody who tried to get CSD and/or the state to create a “personal belief exemption” would receive significant pushback. Anti-immunization folks aren’t very popular among the public health crowd and rightly so, in my opinion.

            • poplar says:
              September 28, 2014 at 2:11 pm

              Those who want to file an “philosophical” exemption use the religious form, regardless of their religion or lack thereof. Happens all the time, although I’m not sure how frequently it happens within CSD specifically. They aren’t required to justify it, but if they did they would probably say something like “my religion dictates that as my child’s parent I am responsible for making healthcare decisions for my family, not the state.”

              • smalltowngal says:
                September 28, 2014 at 3:19 pm

                “…as my child’s parent I am responsible for making healthcare decisions for my family, not the state.” — To which the appropriate response is, “By rejecting vaccinations (in the absence of a compelling medical situation), you are claiming the right to put everyone in the community at risk. You don’t get to do that.”

                • poplar says:
                  September 28, 2014 at 5:36 pm

                  Don’t shoot the messenger. My kids are vaccinated. I don’t think that argument would get very far with someone who feels really strongly about the whole thing, but that’s only a guess. It’s a debate I don’t usually engage because I don’t feel strongly about it either way, but I know a lot of people who do.

                  • smalltowngal says:
                    September 28, 2014 at 6:25 pm

                    I didn’t mean to sound like I was taking issue with you in particular. I feel very strongly about it because public health is an arena where superstition should never be indulged.

              • At Home in Decatur says:
                September 28, 2014 at 3:49 pm

                According to the GA DPH website, there isn’t a specific form. “There is no standard form for the affidavit of religious exemption.The parent or guardian must give the school or childcare facility a signed and dated notarized affidavit stating that immunizations are against the family’s religious beliefs.” Other than having to find a notary, not too hard to do. The only disincentives are the extra work to get the notarized affidavit and the fact that, if there were an outbreak of something at school, your children would be excluded for that time period. Since our immunization rates are so high, not many outbreaks of vaccine-preventable diseases occur these days so not a very big disincentive.

                If too many folks have the narrow view of worrying about their child only and shun immunization, knowing that the chance of vaccine-preventable disease exposures is low right now, then the herd immunity benefits of vaccines disappear. Vaccines aren’t just about protecting the individual–none of them protect 100%–but also about keeping disease transmission real low in the community so that vaccine failures don’t result in cases occurring. If too many folks don’t choose to immunize their kids, the increased number of susceptible individuals in the community (herd) rises and disease transmission is facilitated.

      • At Home in Decatur says:
        September 27, 2014 at 11:27 am

        No data off the top of my head, but, as a parent, there’s little buzz about it, not like out West. If it were a big problem here, I’m sure we’d get more communications from school re immunization requirements. Georgia or DeKalb County Health Depts.would have data re prevalence of waivers.

      • At Home in Decatur says:
        September 27, 2014 at 9:06 pm

        From the GA DPH Immunization Guidelines for School and Childcare Facilities:

        “Exemptions
        Georgia law allows for two types of exemptions from the immunization requirements: medical and religious. Each child must have one of two items on file—either a valid Georgia Immunization Certificate (Form 3231) or a signed, notarized statement, which is called an affidavit of religious exemption.”

        and “….in the event of a vaccine-preventable disease outbreak, children with medical or religious exemptions will be excluded from attending the school or childcare facility.”

        So, you could avoid immunizing your children for reasons other than medical necessity or religious conviction if they never attended daycare and were home-schooled and never participated in any sports, camp, or other activities that require proof of vaccination.

        • brianc says:
          September 29, 2014 at 1:28 pm

          Note that the medical exemption requires certification by a licensed physician, i.e. evidence, while the religious exemption requires zero evidence of anything. The (dis)order of things writ small.

          • DEM says:
            September 29, 2014 at 2:25 pm

            A notarized affidavt is evidence.

            • brianc says:
              September 29, 2014 at 4:21 pm

              I don’t mean evidence in the legal sense, but in the general and scientific sense.

              • DEM says:
                September 29, 2014 at 9:33 pm

                scientific evidence of a religious belief? I don’t think cat scans can detect that. 🙂

          • At Home in Decatur says:
            September 29, 2014 at 10:30 pm

            I’ve always thought there should be some kind of criteria that a religious exemption has to meet, e.g. the religion has to have existed since at least 1975, have a minimum membership of at least 50 sober adults, and have other beliefs besides opposing vaccination.

            • brianc says:
              September 29, 2014 at 10:42 pm

              What I was getting at, clumsily, is that a person can’t say “I think these vaccinations are bad for my child’s health” and have that suffice. But a person can say, sincerely or not, “I believe these vaccinations are bad for my child’s soul” and get the all clear.

    15. Decaturite Mom says:
      September 27, 2014 at 1:15 am

      Why is there a lake in the Walmart parking lot? And when are they going to start demolition of the church across the street?

      • Deanne says:
        September 27, 2014 at 11:16 am

        The lake’s just a show&tell of what in the past would’ve been the runoff water leaving the parking lot. Ringed in by the remaining pavement, it has nowhere to go but slowwwly into the hard packed dirt. Soon– very soon! Walmart will begin construction, including putting in a ginormous underground retention vault and filtering system. There will also be a good amount of greenspace within the shopping center to make good use of the rain.

        The Fuqua folks haven’t given a demo date yet, but over the last couple of weeks, the church folks have been moving out/sending off the interior furnishings and building salvagers have been by the church.

    16. At Home in Decatur says:
      September 27, 2014 at 11:44 am

      I like the new fancy parking payment system. But not the squashed looking bags on top of the old parking meters. Are those ugly bags and old meters going away eventually? Will there be some other, more picturesque, way of informing parkers to go to the parking kiosk to pay?

      • Wacky Sitcom Neighbor says:
        September 27, 2014 at 7:34 pm

        What, exactly, do you DO with a city’s worth of outdated parking meters?

        • smalltowngal says:
          September 27, 2014 at 8:48 pm

          Get artists to decorate them and auction them off at a fundraiser.

          • Parker Cross says:
            September 29, 2014 at 10:15 am

            And leave the empty poles as an homage to Cool Hand Luke.

            • J_T says:
              September 29, 2014 at 10:26 am

              Only if we can also have an egg eating contest. I suggest doing it at the Beer Festival.

        • Al says:
          September 27, 2014 at 8:52 pm

          This is from Decaturish, June 25th: “The existing meters will be declared surplus and we will sell them if we can,” Merriss said.

          • At Home in Decatur says:
            September 27, 2014 at 8:58 pm

            I wonder–sell them to whom?

            Also wondering how it will be evident that you have to pay for street parking. Right now, you know because you see a meter with a squashed hood on it. When you investigate further, you read that you should go to the kiosk. But once the meters are down, how will you know? The spaces will look free, unless you happen to see the kiosk which can be several spaces away. Maybe the curbs will be painted with something like “Pay at Kiosk”?

            • Wponcer says:
              September 28, 2014 at 5:31 pm

              Maybe Sam on Adair should buy a couple and put them in front of his house instead of the bikes. So many people seem to want to park there that he could make a fortune.

    17. Wacky Sitcom Neighbor says:
      September 28, 2014 at 12:37 pm

      Big shout to the people who let their kids run buck wild in YDFM this morning. Your kid nearly brained himself on my shopping basket a few times.

      • FM Fats says:
        September 28, 2014 at 8:04 pm

        Their parents were probably right in the middle of the aisle with their cart talking to some friends with their cart pulled up next to it.

    18. Mourning in Paperwork says:
      September 28, 2014 at 3:42 pm

      Hi – Any recommendations for a local estate lawyer? I’m trying to avoid going OTP. Decatur or Atlanta would be ideal.

      • smith says:
        September 29, 2014 at 9:26 am

        Tom Stubbs. Office is in downtown Decatur.
        404-378-3633 or [email protected]

      • J_T says:
        September 29, 2014 at 9:56 am

        Carolyn and Jennifer at Gibbs & Mabe are local here in Decatur. And if they can’t help you for some reason, they will know who can.

        http://gibbsmabe.com/wills-estate-planning/

    19. At Home in Decatur says:
      September 29, 2014 at 8:44 am

      Fairly big presence of traffic police at Clairemont and Scott this morning. Saw one bicycle and two vehicles getting ticketed.


         


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