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	<title>Comments on: Clairmont Heights Residents Preparing Petition for Decatur Annexation</title>
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		<title>By: Insight</title>
		<link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2014/10/07/clairmont-heights-residents-preparing-petition-for-decatur-annexation/#comment-523936</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2014 15:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found the property value comment (above) interesting if not provocative.  There is a lot for sale in Clairmont Heights with a creek running through it for $ 170,000, if someone is interested in that (no home).   In Clairmont Heights non-Decatur we have recent sales in $ 700,000, $ 500,000, and $ 400,000.  This area is served by Fernbank Elementary (at least for now) and built separately from the neighborhoods surrounding. Compare that to two sub-$200,000 recent sales in the Decatur side of the neighborhood (with homes). I don&#039;t think the facts bear out the comment, but, this took me maybe 10 minutes research.  Its hard to make a bright line comparison like the comment above, when the actual data is considered.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found the property value comment (above) interesting if not provocative.  There is a lot for sale in Clairmont Heights with a creek running through it for $ 170,000, if someone is interested in that (no home).   In Clairmont Heights non-Decatur we have recent sales in $ 700,000, $ 500,000, and $ 400,000.  This area is served by Fernbank Elementary (at least for now) and built separately from the neighborhoods surrounding. Compare that to two sub-$200,000 recent sales in the Decatur side of the neighborhood (with homes). I don&#8217;t think the facts bear out the comment, but, this took me maybe 10 minutes research.  Its hard to make a bright line comparison like the comment above, when the actual data is considered.</p>
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		<title>By: Insight</title>
		<link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2014/10/07/clairmont-heights-residents-preparing-petition-for-decatur-annexation/#comment-523933</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Insight]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2014 15:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Before emotions take over, please look at http://www.decaturga.com/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=5373 and you will see that the decision by City of Decatur to lay claim to Clairmont Heights was made long ago. In what is described as a &#039;modern annexation&#039;  Clairmont Heights is accessible only from North Decatur Road from the South/North, and Clairmont from the West. See http://www.decaturga.com/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=2105, Decatur has already annexed the only 3 entrances to Clairmont Heights from the North/South.  The current Decatur map has a very odd, protruding section of residential to the direct North which - curiously - takes the three entrances to Clairmont Heights and first homes, then stops, abruptly.  Putting this perspective, Decatur is about 2 miles by 2 miles, yet it extends a half mile North (25% of its width) to reach up into Clairmont Heights today.  So the idea that it would include that neighborhood is not only reasonable, it appears to have been contemplated and planned (else why take the entrances??)

Decatur&#039;s current map leaves the only entrance to Clairmont Heights from the West through Desmond (limited also because Emory is directly adjacent and non-municipal major thoroughfares limited - only major thoroughfares not in a city limits are circuitous routes Druid Hills Road, Scott/Lawrenceville hwy).  The result is any city other than Decatur would have to cross City of Decatur jurisdiction for police, fire, sanitation, and other services - not optimal and potentially preclusive.  

Decatur&#039;s prior annexation actions have resulted in effectively preventing Clairmont Heights from being annexed by any other city entity, with the exception of Atlanta (but the annexed Clairmont Heights entrances remains).   Clairmont Heights is the only neighborhood for which Decatur has taken this approach, and it was done long ago.  Medlock does not currently have this problem (but would if Decatur&#039;s annexation plan moves forward, as Decatur proposes the same thing for the Medlock North/South entrances).                                                                                                                                        

In essence this prior annexation serves as both a message and a substantive barrier in that Clairmont Heights annexation options are very, very limited due to Decatur&#039;s prior annexation.

For those (few - I see only one or two vocal participants in this deliberation) who would oppose Clairmont Height annexation to Decatur, the question you should pose to your elected officials is:  (1) why did Decatur annex the only 3 entrances to Clairmont Heights (and refrain from doing so with Medlock and other neighborhoods surrounding Decatur). (2) is it fair (right, legal?) for Decatur to annex entrances to neighborhoods without annexing those neighborhoods themselves, (3) is it fair (right, legal?) for Decatur to annex the businesses serving neighborhoods, obtain those tax revenues, and preclude those neighborhoods from other annexation, but without serving the neighborhoods themselves.  

If the answer is that it is indeed fair to annex the neighborhood entrances and businesses without annexing the neighborhoods, then Decatur is a very much different type of community that the one I have come to know over the past 20 years.  Honestly, I think rather this is the position of very few who do not possess the facts above.  

Please report back your leader&#039;s responses, it would be very interesting to know why Decatur would foreclose entrances to Clairmont Heights, and then not include Clairmont Heights in the initial annexation map.  I think the answer lies in the democratic principles of self determination, which require Decatur to either annex the area or relinquish the entrances.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before emotions take over, please look at <a href="http://www.decaturga.com/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=5373" rel="nofollow">http://www.decaturga.com/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=5373</a> and you will see that the decision by City of Decatur to lay claim to Clairmont Heights was made long ago. In what is described as a &#8216;modern annexation&#8217;  Clairmont Heights is accessible only from North Decatur Road from the South/North, and Clairmont from the West. See <a href="http://www.decaturga.com/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=2105" rel="nofollow">http://www.decaturga.com/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=2105</a>, Decatur has already annexed the only 3 entrances to Clairmont Heights from the North/South.  The current Decatur map has a very odd, protruding section of residential to the direct North which &#8211; curiously &#8211; takes the three entrances to Clairmont Heights and first homes, then stops, abruptly.  Putting this perspective, Decatur is about 2 miles by 2 miles, yet it extends a half mile North (25% of its width) to reach up into Clairmont Heights today.  So the idea that it would include that neighborhood is not only reasonable, it appears to have been contemplated and planned (else why take the entrances??)</p>
<p>Decatur&#8217;s current map leaves the only entrance to Clairmont Heights from the West through Desmond (limited also because Emory is directly adjacent and non-municipal major thoroughfares limited &#8211; only major thoroughfares not in a city limits are circuitous routes Druid Hills Road, Scott/Lawrenceville hwy).  The result is any city other than Decatur would have to cross City of Decatur jurisdiction for police, fire, sanitation, and other services &#8211; not optimal and potentially preclusive.  </p>
<p>Decatur&#8217;s prior annexation actions have resulted in effectively preventing Clairmont Heights from being annexed by any other city entity, with the exception of Atlanta (but the annexed Clairmont Heights entrances remains).   Clairmont Heights is the only neighborhood for which Decatur has taken this approach, and it was done long ago.  Medlock does not currently have this problem (but would if Decatur&#8217;s annexation plan moves forward, as Decatur proposes the same thing for the Medlock North/South entrances).                                                                                                                                        </p>
<p>In essence this prior annexation serves as both a message and a substantive barrier in that Clairmont Heights annexation options are very, very limited due to Decatur&#8217;s prior annexation.</p>
<p>For those (few &#8211; I see only one or two vocal participants in this deliberation) who would oppose Clairmont Height annexation to Decatur, the question you should pose to your elected officials is:  (1) why did Decatur annex the only 3 entrances to Clairmont Heights (and refrain from doing so with Medlock and other neighborhoods surrounding Decatur). (2) is it fair (right, legal?) for Decatur to annex entrances to neighborhoods without annexing those neighborhoods themselves, (3) is it fair (right, legal?) for Decatur to annex the businesses serving neighborhoods, obtain those tax revenues, and preclude those neighborhoods from other annexation, but without serving the neighborhoods themselves.  </p>
<p>If the answer is that it is indeed fair to annex the neighborhood entrances and businesses without annexing the neighborhoods, then Decatur is a very much different type of community that the one I have come to know over the past 20 years.  Honestly, I think rather this is the position of very few who do not possess the facts above.  </p>
<p>Please report back your leader&#8217;s responses, it would be very interesting to know why Decatur would foreclose entrances to Clairmont Heights, and then not include Clairmont Heights in the initial annexation map.  I think the answer lies in the democratic principles of self determination, which require Decatur to either annex the area or relinquish the entrances.</p>
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		<title>By: At Home in Decatur</title>
		<link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2014/10/07/clairmont-heights-residents-preparing-petition-for-decatur-annexation/#comment-523714</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[At Home in Decatur]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2014 13:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The bitterness of comments reminds me of the CSD school closures, although it doesn&#039;t seem to have reached the same fever pitch.  Your idea of &quot;we&#039;ll still be neighbors after this&quot; t-shirts is a great idea.  It&#039;s human nature for people to demonize those on the other side of issues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bitterness of comments reminds me of the CSD school closures, although it doesn&#8217;t seem to have reached the same fever pitch.  Your idea of &#8220;we&#8217;ll still be neighbors after this&#8221; t-shirts is a great idea.  It&#8217;s human nature for people to demonize those on the other side of issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Tanya</title>
		<link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2014/10/07/clairmont-heights-residents-preparing-petition-for-decatur-annexation/#comment-523713</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tanya]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2014 13:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sigh...

Assuming that you have success in offering up Clairmont Height&#039;s support to COD in exchange for annexing &quot;your&quot; commercial properties, the Medlock neighborhood (which, by geographic boundaries, is rather inextricably linked to Clairmont Heights) ends up with limited or perhaps no options in the same fashion that Clairmont Heights fears so deeply.

Who is making those &quot;we&#039;ll still be neighbors after this&quot; bumper stickers and t-shirts? I&#039;m ready to place an order...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh&#8230;</p>
<p>Assuming that you have success in offering up Clairmont Height&#8217;s support to COD in exchange for annexing &#8220;your&#8221; commercial properties, the Medlock neighborhood (which, by geographic boundaries, is rather inextricably linked to Clairmont Heights) ends up with limited or perhaps no options in the same fashion that Clairmont Heights fears so deeply.</p>
<p>Who is making those &#8220;we&#8217;ll still be neighbors after this&#8221; bumper stickers and t-shirts? I&#8217;m ready to place an order&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DawgFan</title>
		<link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2014/10/07/clairmont-heights-residents-preparing-petition-for-decatur-annexation/#comment-523707</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DawgFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2014 13:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;But, your comments do raise an interesting question. Could the Briarcliff/ Lakeside advocates in the legislature join forces with these commercial districts to oppose COD annexation? Possibly. In that case, Clairmont Height’s support of COD annexation is valuable for in any fight there, too.&quot;

You are assuming that the positives for CoD from the commercial would outweigh the negatives from your residential. I am not sure that is the case, and if this is a package deal (which it isn&#039;t), we might just say thanks, but no thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But, your comments do raise an interesting question. Could the Briarcliff/ Lakeside advocates in the legislature join forces with these commercial districts to oppose COD annexation? Possibly. In that case, Clairmont Height’s support of COD annexation is valuable for in any fight there, too.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are assuming that the positives for CoD from the commercial would outweigh the negatives from your residential. I am not sure that is the case, and if this is a package deal (which it isn&#8217;t), we might just say thanks, but no thanks.</p>
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