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	<title>Comments on: The Real Cost of Free and Abundant Parking in Los Angeles</title>
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		<title>By: smalltowngal</title>
		<link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2012/01/03/the-real-cost-of-free-and-abundant-parking-in-los-angeles/#comment-171373</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for taking the time. It does seem to offer interesting possibilities. I would like to see careful and close examination of the level and kind of &quot;pain&quot; created for residents before deciding they should get financial compensation for it. (What often feels like excruciating pain often fades into mild inconvenience once we get used to it.) But I do like an approach that recognizes the whole issue is many-faceted and dynamic, that doesn&#039;t try to force-fit a one-size-fits-all across every locale and time of day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for taking the time. It does seem to offer interesting possibilities. I would like to see careful and close examination of the level and kind of &#8220;pain&#8221; created for residents before deciding they should get financial compensation for it. (What often feels like excruciating pain often fades into mild inconvenience once we get used to it.) But I do like an approach that recognizes the whole issue is many-faceted and dynamic, that doesn&#8217;t try to force-fit a one-size-fits-all across every locale and time of day.</p>
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		<title>By: Glockenspiel</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 15:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Since thread is getting old, might not see this but i&#039;ll post in response anyway)

I believe that somewhere Shoup has written about this and this approach has been tried in ...  (looking for references...) SF in the US and I recall when I was living in Berlin, a few of the neighborhoods worked this out.   

So the idea is that one of the immediate effects of reducing parking options is to push more parking into adjacent neighborhoods.   I recall that this was a big topic of concern for the neighborhood near the E Ponce development (is that the old Wachovia?).   And it is true that reduced parking will push more parking to adjacent streets which can be a pain for residents.  The solution is to install meters and resident parking stickers, allowing residents to park for free and others to pay for parking.   The meter returns for the neighborhood go into a pot that is used as a credit against property taxes for that neighborhood (less administrative costs).   

There is actually interesting economics involved once you have a system for meter pricing based on demand.   Residents could be allowed to park in metered locations for free but they then forego the return from the meter, more so when parking rates are higher.   Higher meter rates ensure that more spaces will be available as needed and residents see an actual benefit to a situation (reducing parking lot space) where previously there was only cost.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Since thread is getting old, might not see this but i&#8217;ll post in response anyway)</p>
<p>I believe that somewhere Shoup has written about this and this approach has been tried in &#8230;  (looking for references&#8230;) SF in the US and I recall when I was living in Berlin, a few of the neighborhoods worked this out.   </p>
<p>So the idea is that one of the immediate effects of reducing parking options is to push more parking into adjacent neighborhoods.   I recall that this was a big topic of concern for the neighborhood near the E Ponce development (is that the old Wachovia?).   And it is true that reduced parking will push more parking to adjacent streets which can be a pain for residents.  The solution is to install meters and resident parking stickers, allowing residents to park for free and others to pay for parking.   The meter returns for the neighborhood go into a pot that is used as a credit against property taxes for that neighborhood (less administrative costs).   </p>
<p>There is actually interesting economics involved once you have a system for meter pricing based on demand.   Residents could be allowed to park in metered locations for free but they then forego the return from the meter, more so when parking rates are higher.   Higher meter rates ensure that more spaces will be available as needed and residents see an actual benefit to a situation (reducing parking lot space) where previously there was only cost.</p>
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		<title>By: DawgFan</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 16:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The demand argument absolutely works here.  There is much greater demand for roads, and thus, a much larger portion of the transportaion funds are allocated to building and maintaining them.  Nothing artificial about it.  If mass transit was at or over capacity and roads were underutlitized, where do you think transportation dollars would be allocated?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The demand argument absolutely works here.  There is much greater demand for roads, and thus, a much larger portion of the transportaion funds are allocated to building and maintaining them.  Nothing artificial about it.  If mass transit was at or over capacity and roads were underutlitized, where do you think transportation dollars would be allocated?</p>
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		<title>By: smalltowngal</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 16:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just get tired of hearing &quot;Ooohh, parking decks are scarey,&quot; every time the subject comes up. It contributes to a self-fulfilling prophecy. Yes, we need better signage and PR for the available deck parking in Decatur. But another good way to help folks find the decks, and feel comfortable using them, is to see other people using them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just get tired of hearing &#8220;Ooohh, parking decks are scarey,&#8221; every time the subject comes up. It contributes to a self-fulfilling prophecy. Yes, we need better signage and PR for the available deck parking in Decatur. But another good way to help folks find the decks, and feel comfortable using them, is to see other people using them.</p>
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		<title>By: Decatur Metro</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Decatur Metro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 00:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The demand argument doesn&#039;t work here because roads are so much more subsidized than public transportation that it is an artificial playing field from the start.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The demand argument doesn&#8217;t work here because roads are so much more subsidized than public transportation that it is an artificial playing field from the start.</p>
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