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	<title>Comments on: Decatur Students Rack Up Some of the Highest CRCT Scores in Metro Atlanta</title>
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		<title>By: Tom Stubbs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Stubbs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We may be better, but we are not facing a particular tough challenge as it relates to the economics of our kids.  According to the DoE, (website:  http://www.doe.k12.ga.us/ReportingFW.aspx?PageReq=211&amp;PID=61&amp;PTID=67&amp;CTID=216&amp;StateId=ALL&amp;T=0&amp;FY=2010 ), here are the percentage of students with free/reduced lunch for 2009-10:
Buford - 51%
Cherokee - 28%
Decatur - 26%
Fayette - 20%.
For what it&#039;s worth, the statewide average is 56%.  So, we handle a student population that has, in percentage terms, less than half the number of kids from lower economic range families as compared to the statewide average.   Buford handled about double the percent of free/reduced lunch children, with Cherokee having slightly more and only Fayette have fewer among the districts you mentioned.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We may be better, but we are not facing a particular tough challenge as it relates to the economics of our kids.  According to the DoE, (website:  <a href="http://www.doe.k12.ga.us/ReportingFW.aspx?PageReq=211&#038;PID=61&#038;PTID=67&#038;CTID=216&#038;StateId=ALL&#038;T=0&#038;FY=2010" rel="nofollow">http://www.doe.k12.ga.us/ReportingFW.aspx?PageReq=211&#038;PID=61&#038;PTID=67&#038;CTID=216&#038;StateId=ALL&#038;T=0&#038;FY=2010</a> ), here are the percentage of students with free/reduced lunch for 2009-10:<br />
Buford &#8211; 51%<br />
Cherokee &#8211; 28%<br />
Decatur &#8211; 26%<br />
Fayette &#8211; 20%.<br />
For what it&#8217;s worth, the statewide average is 56%.  So, we handle a student population that has, in percentage terms, less than half the number of kids from lower economic range families as compared to the statewide average.   Buford handled about double the percent of free/reduced lunch children, with Cherokee having slightly more and only Fayette have fewer among the districts you mentioned.</p>
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		<title>By: Karass</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karass]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I definitely think that CRCT data are better than &quot;I got calls from three parents who said...&quot;!  The testing of all students annually is a systematic approach.  What I don&#039;t know about is the quality of the CRCT tests themselves.  If they are consistent in rigor over time, then we&#039;ve got comparable, useful data.  My only reason for suspicion about consistency in rigor over time is that I am somewhat surprised to see the state improving as a whole when both household and school funding and conditions has been declining in most parts of the state.  Perhaps my worry is unfounded.  I certainly wouldn&#039;t reject the CRCT data on the basis of that worry but one should always be thinking about what assumptions and biases that exist within a data system.  My overall reaction to the CSD data was positive.  

Re getting parent feedback:  This is not a purely analytic task and rigorous methods of gathering data cannot be implemented, no matter how much I wish they could be.  CSD cannot force every parent or every teacher or every community member to respond to a survey.  Not only do they not have the legal authority but a lack of anonymity would invalidate the responses.  But one still tries to get the best data they can, both descriptive and quantitative information, as a better alternative to anecdotal evidence.  The latter gives too much weight to those who happen to know and have the ability to speak up; it is also heavily filtered by the unconscious biases of the listener.  I happen to think that on-line surveys are a cheap way to get useful, if imperfect, feedback from parents, teachers, or the community.  I remember the poll on the calendar--the results were pretty clear.   A majority of teachers preferred the &quot;balanced&quot; (current) calendar and a majority of parents did not.  Those data have been used over an over again in discussing the issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely think that CRCT data are better than &#8220;I got calls from three parents who said&#8230;&#8221;!  The testing of all students annually is a systematic approach.  What I don&#8217;t know about is the quality of the CRCT tests themselves.  If they are consistent in rigor over time, then we&#8217;ve got comparable, useful data.  My only reason for suspicion about consistency in rigor over time is that I am somewhat surprised to see the state improving as a whole when both household and school funding and conditions has been declining in most parts of the state.  Perhaps my worry is unfounded.  I certainly wouldn&#8217;t reject the CRCT data on the basis of that worry but one should always be thinking about what assumptions and biases that exist within a data system.  My overall reaction to the CSD data was positive.  </p>
<p>Re getting parent feedback:  This is not a purely analytic task and rigorous methods of gathering data cannot be implemented, no matter how much I wish they could be.  CSD cannot force every parent or every teacher or every community member to respond to a survey.  Not only do they not have the legal authority but a lack of anonymity would invalidate the responses.  But one still tries to get the best data they can, both descriptive and quantitative information, as a better alternative to anecdotal evidence.  The latter gives too much weight to those who happen to know and have the ability to speak up; it is also heavily filtered by the unconscious biases of the listener.  I happen to think that on-line surveys are a cheap way to get useful, if imperfect, feedback from parents, teachers, or the community.  I remember the poll on the calendar&#8211;the results were pretty clear.   A majority of teachers preferred the &#8220;balanced&#8221; (current) calendar and a majority of parents did not.  Those data have been used over an over again in discussing the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a question, Karass, that&#039;s in no way intended to be critical. Purely curious about how you see things. You question the reliability of CRCT score data yet often advocate for the use of online surveying by CSD to gather parent feedback. I can&#039;t speak for the exact level of rigor in CRCT&#039;s processes but I&#039;d say with high confidence that, even if low, they still yield infinitely more reliable data than online surveys, which typically have no statistical value whatsoever and are the easiest form of opinion-gathering for organized groups to manipulate.

Again, not being critical. Just curious about what seems like a disconnect in where you&#039;re skeptical. Am I missing some nuance in the larger picture?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a question, Karass, that&#8217;s in no way intended to be critical. Purely curious about how you see things. You question the reliability of CRCT score data yet often advocate for the use of online surveying by CSD to gather parent feedback. I can&#8217;t speak for the exact level of rigor in CRCT&#8217;s processes but I&#8217;d say with high confidence that, even if low, they still yield infinitely more reliable data than online surveys, which typically have no statistical value whatsoever and are the easiest form of opinion-gathering for organized groups to manipulate.</p>
<p>Again, not being critical. Just curious about what seems like a disconnect in where you&#8217;re skeptical. Am I missing some nuance in the larger picture?</p>
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		<title>By: TeeRuss</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TeeRuss]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t have the statistics at hand, but I&#039;d bet we have a much higher free/reduced lunch eligible student percentage than any of the other districts mentioned in the article - Fayette, Cherokee, Buford.

Which means our school system has a much tougher job of achieving at these levels.

Which means we&#039;re better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have the statistics at hand, but I&#8217;d bet we have a much higher free/reduced lunch eligible student percentage than any of the other districts mentioned in the article &#8211; Fayette, Cherokee, Buford.</p>
<p>Which means our school system has a much tougher job of achieving at these levels.</p>
<p>Which means we&#8217;re better.</p>
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		<title>By: Karass</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karass]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks.  It&#039;s truly impressive to see the huge percentage of students who didn&#039;t just just meet, but exceeded standards, at least in the grades I checked. (Although also a bit deflating as I realize that my children are not geniuses, just performing like their peers.)  I went back a few years for a few grades and the percentage of students exceeding is substantially higher.  Excellent news.  Of course, lots of questions come to mind--what is working?  Is the State DOE better at setting and implementing standards?  Is it better instruction?  Better attention to children with learning disabilities, some of whom are bright and do well if given support in the areas of deficit?  Is this due to the changing composition of our student body as Decatur becomes more and more affluent?  Whatever the reason, more students, not less, are exceeding and the opposite situation would be bad news.    

I have to say that the improving scores statewide, in the middle of a recession, declining funding for schools, more family stress, poverty, etc. makes me worry whether or not the CRCT is a consistent, stable measure.  How do we know whether the CRCT tests were easier this year or not? Sorry for my cynicism but I have worked with professional testing panels and have healthy skepticism of anything but the most rigorous test-writing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.  It&#8217;s truly impressive to see the huge percentage of students who didn&#8217;t just just meet, but exceeded standards, at least in the grades I checked. (Although also a bit deflating as I realize that my children are not geniuses, just performing like their peers.)  I went back a few years for a few grades and the percentage of students exceeding is substantially higher.  Excellent news.  Of course, lots of questions come to mind&#8211;what is working?  Is the State DOE better at setting and implementing standards?  Is it better instruction?  Better attention to children with learning disabilities, some of whom are bright and do well if given support in the areas of deficit?  Is this due to the changing composition of our student body as Decatur becomes more and more affluent?  Whatever the reason, more students, not less, are exceeding and the opposite situation would be bad news.    </p>
<p>I have to say that the improving scores statewide, in the middle of a recession, declining funding for schools, more family stress, poverty, etc. makes me worry whether or not the CRCT is a consistent, stable measure.  How do we know whether the CRCT tests were easier this year or not? Sorry for my cynicism but I have worked with professional testing panels and have healthy skepticism of anything but the most rigorous test-writing.</p>
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