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	<title>Comments on: A &#8220;Bike Box&#8221; and Restriping Proposed for West Ponce</title>
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		<title>By: mrblonde</title>
		<link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2011/02/21/a-bike-box-and-restriping-proposed-for-west-ponce/#comment-97330</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mrblonde]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 17:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess we&#039;ve replied too many times for me to reply back to your post, ha ha.  It seems I touched a nerve.  

I really don&#039;t know what you&#039;re talking about with my &quot;anonymous secret finding&quot; and then putting the word &quot;finding&quot; in quotation marks like I actually used that term.  This isn&#039;t a proclamation from me, I&#039;m just trying to help you understand the Georgia driving laws that you&#039;ve posted.  And then the straw man argument you put forth that I said that &quot;all metro streets are designed to render such a maneuver illegal.&quot;  If you can find where I said that ALL metro streets are designed in that way I&#039;ll hand you a dollar while you&#039;re passing me on the right.

Here, I&#039;ll cut and paste a part of a previous post in this thread that you wrote:

(A cyclist traveling in a bicycle lane, or in a lane
wide enough for motor vehicles and bicycles to
share (see roadway position above) may pass
motor vehicles on the right, but must still take
care to avoid turning vehicles. This is allowed
since in these cases there is either provision of a
lane or sufficient width for two lines of ***MOVING*** [emphases added by me]
traffic; one of which is bicycle traffic.)

/end quote

This is the argument right here.  Just because a cyclist can safely squeeze by at a light, doesn&#039;t mean there&#039;s enough room in the lane for two lines of MOVING traffic, no matter how many thousand times the cyclist has cut to the front of the line because they don&#039;t like waiting at lights.  

Most of the time that I see cars pass bicyclists, the car moves partially into another lane to do the pass.  That indicates to me that there&#039;s generally not enough room for both car and cyclist to ride together in the lane, at least not in the cases where the car has to move partially out of the lane.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we&#8217;ve replied too many times for me to reply back to your post, ha ha.  It seems I touched a nerve.  </p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re talking about with my &#8220;anonymous secret finding&#8221; and then putting the word &#8220;finding&#8221; in quotation marks like I actually used that term.  This isn&#8217;t a proclamation from me, I&#8217;m just trying to help you understand the Georgia driving laws that you&#8217;ve posted.  And then the straw man argument you put forth that I said that &#8220;all metro streets are designed to render such a maneuver illegal.&#8221;  If you can find where I said that ALL metro streets are designed in that way I&#8217;ll hand you a dollar while you&#8217;re passing me on the right.</p>
<p>Here, I&#8217;ll cut and paste a part of a previous post in this thread that you wrote:</p>
<p>(A cyclist traveling in a bicycle lane, or in a lane<br />
wide enough for motor vehicles and bicycles to<br />
share (see roadway position above) may pass<br />
motor vehicles on the right, but must still take<br />
care to avoid turning vehicles. This is allowed<br />
since in these cases there is either provision of a<br />
lane or sufficient width for two lines of ***MOVING*** [emphases added by me]<br />
traffic; one of which is bicycle traffic.)</p>
<p>/end quote</p>
<p>This is the argument right here.  Just because a cyclist can safely squeeze by at a light, doesn&#8217;t mean there&#8217;s enough room in the lane for two lines of MOVING traffic, no matter how many thousand times the cyclist has cut to the front of the line because they don&#8217;t like waiting at lights.  </p>
<p>Most of the time that I see cars pass bicyclists, the car moves partially into another lane to do the pass.  That indicates to me that there&#8217;s generally not enough room for both car and cyclist to ride together in the lane, at least not in the cases where the car has to move partially out of the lane.</p>
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		<title>By: Ridgelandistan</title>
		<link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2011/02/21/a-bike-box-and-restriping-proposed-for-west-ponce/#comment-97286</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ridgelandistan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You propose that your anonomous secret finding is valid justification to inimidate lawful unsuspecting cyclists by use of an overt criminal act. (Intentionally blocking someone&#039;s path)

In the case of a bicycle overtaking a standing automobile on the right side, the auto driver in the left hand seat is figuratively and literally in no position to make such a judgement. 

The cyclist with a direct and unobstructed view of the roadway clearance and recent experience safely passing in such a manner many thousands of times is the best judge of the safety of this manuveur and carries the responsibility for safely executing it.

The proclamation of an anonomous blogger that all metro streets are designed to render such a manuver &quot;illegal&quot; imposes no restriction on law abiding cyclists who could not possibly be aware of this blogger&#039;s &quot;finding&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You propose that your anonomous secret finding is valid justification to inimidate lawful unsuspecting cyclists by use of an overt criminal act. (Intentionally blocking someone&#8217;s path)</p>
<p>In the case of a bicycle overtaking a standing automobile on the right side, the auto driver in the left hand seat is figuratively and literally in no position to make such a judgement. </p>
<p>The cyclist with a direct and unobstructed view of the roadway clearance and recent experience safely passing in such a manner many thousands of times is the best judge of the safety of this manuveur and carries the responsibility for safely executing it.</p>
<p>The proclamation of an anonomous blogger that all metro streets are designed to render such a manuver &#8220;illegal&#8221; imposes no restriction on law abiding cyclists who could not possibly be aware of this blogger&#8217;s &#8220;finding&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: nola</title>
		<link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2011/02/21/a-bike-box-and-restriping-proposed-for-west-ponce/#comment-96314</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nola]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Uh, oh Decatur Metro.  It turns out the post I remembered was under the food cart topic.  My bad.
I promise to not bug you again. What is lost has been found.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, oh Decatur Metro.  It turns out the post I remembered was under the food cart topic.  My bad.<br />
I promise to not bug you again. What is lost has been found.</p>
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		<title>By: mrblonde</title>
		<link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2011/02/21/a-bike-box-and-restriping-proposed-for-west-ponce/#comment-96252</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mrblonde]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot; I’ve even seen drivers cut their front wheels and drive up onto the curb in an infantile attempt to prevent cyclists from passing them this way.&quot;

I love that maneuver!  Keeps me from having to make another pass of the cyclist and only costs the cyclist a few seconds time and doesn&#039;t expose them to the risks associated with getting passed by a car. It&#039;s a win/win.  Not a bad move at all.  If the cyclist insists on cutting to the front of the line because they don&#039;t like waiting their turn like everyone else then I guess they can pass on the left.

&quot;As long as the roadway is wide enough for a car and a bicycle to share the lane safely, then the cyclist is exercising their legal right&quot;

Yep, that&#039;s the whole crux of the argument.  If there&#039;s a bike lane, or if the lane is actually wide enough for us both, then it doesn&#039;t bother me and it&#039;s legal.  The problem is that city streets tend to be narrow, so there&#039;s usually not enough room for both of us in the lane.  If the cars are stopped at a light waiting for their turn to go, then many times the cyclists feel they can safely squeeze by because the cars aren&#039;t moving....as soon as the light changes the cyclist isn&#039;t so happy to be sharing the lane any more.  

So  the cases where it&#039;s annoying and illegal for the cyclist to do the pass are when the lanes aren&#039;t wide enough for the car and the cyclist to ride together, which in the city is most of the time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; I’ve even seen drivers cut their front wheels and drive up onto the curb in an infantile attempt to prevent cyclists from passing them this way.&#8221;</p>
<p>I love that maneuver!  Keeps me from having to make another pass of the cyclist and only costs the cyclist a few seconds time and doesn&#8217;t expose them to the risks associated with getting passed by a car. It&#8217;s a win/win.  Not a bad move at all.  If the cyclist insists on cutting to the front of the line because they don&#8217;t like waiting their turn like everyone else then I guess they can pass on the left.</p>
<p>&#8220;As long as the roadway is wide enough for a car and a bicycle to share the lane safely, then the cyclist is exercising their legal right&#8221;</p>
<p>Yep, that&#8217;s the whole crux of the argument.  If there&#8217;s a bike lane, or if the lane is actually wide enough for us both, then it doesn&#8217;t bother me and it&#8217;s legal.  The problem is that city streets tend to be narrow, so there&#8217;s usually not enough room for both of us in the lane.  If the cars are stopped at a light waiting for their turn to go, then many times the cyclists feel they can safely squeeze by because the cars aren&#8217;t moving&#8230;.as soon as the light changes the cyclist isn&#8217;t so happy to be sharing the lane any more.  </p>
<p>So  the cases where it&#8217;s annoying and illegal for the cyclist to do the pass are when the lanes aren&#8217;t wide enough for the car and the cyclist to ride together, which in the city is most of the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Ridgelandistan</title>
		<link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2011/02/21/a-bike-box-and-restriping-proposed-for-west-ponce/#comment-96194</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ridgelandistan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 18:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Lawfully excercising one’s right to use a public road is not a game of strategy&quot;

...should not have to be a game of strategy.

there, fixed it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lawfully excercising one’s right to use a public road is not a game of strategy&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;should not have to be a game of strategy.</p>
<p>there, fixed it.</p>
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