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> <channel><title>Comments on: New 5th Avenue Site Plans Now Online</title> <atom:link href="/2010/03/18/new-5th-avenue-site-plans-now-online/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2010/03/18/new-5th-avenue-site-plans-now-online/</link> <description>Decatur Georgia News, Events, Atlanta News</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 13:07:03 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2</generator> <item><title>By: nola</title><link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2010/03/18/new-5th-avenue-site-plans-now-online/#comment-33472</link> <dc:creator>nola</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:02:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.decaturmetro.com/?p=20705#comment-33472</guid> <description>FYI.  This is on the CSD website.March 22, 2010 (tonight)
Information Session RE:  Fifth Avenue, 6 pm.  Glennwood</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI.  This is on the CSD website.</p><p>March 22, 2010 (tonight)<br
/> Information Session RE:  Fifth Avenue, 6 pm.  Glennwood</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: nola</title><link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2010/03/18/new-5th-avenue-site-plans-now-online/#comment-33460</link> <dc:creator>nola</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:46:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.decaturmetro.com/?p=20705#comment-33460</guid> <description>The site plan is much improved.  One word of caution...  bio detention swales, collection ponds and  infiltration systems can still take up a lot of what we now perceive as open space on the Fifth Avenue site.  Heads up CSD, this site is too small to have a drainage system like the one used at Clairemont.  A sub surface collection system, hopefully still infiltrating, like Glennwood&#039;s is needed on this site.  The devil&#039;s in the details on this one.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The site plan is much improved.  One word of caution&#8230;  bio detention swales, collection ponds and  infiltration systems can still take up a lot of what we now perceive as open space on the Fifth Avenue site.  Heads up CSD, this site is too small to have a drainage system like the one used at Clairemont.  A sub surface collection system, hopefully still infiltrating, like Glennwood&#8217;s is needed on this site.  The devil&#8217;s in the details on this one.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Garrett Goebel</title><link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2010/03/18/new-5th-avenue-site-plans-now-online/#comment-33406</link> <dc:creator>Garrett Goebel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 13:11:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.decaturmetro.com/?p=20705#comment-33406</guid> <description>This is a greatly improved plan.The process will never be perfect. Communication can always be better. But it works in Decatur. It is worth being involved, and the outcomes are better for it.I would like to thank the BoE and Dr. Edwards for listening. And specifically John Ahmann and Dr. Edwards for their involvement in bringing about a face to face meeting between the architects, central office staff, and our community members who petitioned for so many of the changes which have been incorporated. And last but not least, thanks to those community members for pooling their expertise, organization, communication skills, and support.The plan provides 22 regular classrooms, dedicated rooms for science and art, and 4 pullout rooms which can be converted into 2 additional classrooms. Though it only has 600 lockers, it could support a maximum of 26 classrooms and 650 students at 25 students/classroom. It will really shine when enrollments are 550 or less. It also has space planned in for a future addition if necessary.I think they&#039;ve done about the best they currently can to maximize green space. I hope CSD will make a long term commitment to continue purchasing lots adjacent to the new 4/5 Academy.My lingering concerns would be classroom size, sinks in classrooms, maximizing outdoor play space, and the maximum capacity of the multipurpose room.Trying to answer Karass&#039; concerns about enrollments...If we&#039;re at 550 enrollments between kindergarten and 1st grade, then we have some of the highest enrollments seen in the last 25 years. Historically, we tend to gain enrollments at traditional transition points: 1st, 6th, and 9th grades. But overall, we lose enrollments between kindergarten and 12th grade. From 1986-2008, we had mean and median decline in enrollments between Kindergarten and 12th grade of around 24-25%. Our highest K-1 enrollments since 1986 were 580 in 1996. In 2001, this cohort became 425 4th and 5th graders. And in 2007, 380 11th and 12th graders.So if recent history repeats itself, the kindergarten and 1rst grade classes we have today will not overcrowd our new 4/5 Academy tomorrow. However, our current growth appears to be different from the last bubble, in that we&#039;re seeing enrollment growth across the board in all grades. So I don&#039;t place as much confidence on the traditional decline in enrollments from kindergarten to 12th grade during the current economic environment. All that said, the current 4/5 plans should work.Our K-3 capacity will be tight. Even with Glennwood, we are probably about 10-12 classrooms short of where it would need to be to balance the planned capacity for 5th Ave, RMS, and DHS.My best guess is, that as long as the current economic malaise continues, our schools will continue to fill up to capacity. Which is both an opportunity and a challenge.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a greatly improved plan.</p><p>The process will never be perfect. Communication can always be better. But it works in Decatur. It is worth being involved, and the outcomes are better for it.</p><p>I would like to thank the BoE and Dr. Edwards for listening. And specifically John Ahmann and Dr. Edwards for their involvement in bringing about a face to face meeting between the architects, central office staff, and our community members who petitioned for so many of the changes which have been incorporated. And last but not least, thanks to those community members for pooling their expertise, organization, communication skills, and support.</p><p>The plan provides 22 regular classrooms, dedicated rooms for science and art, and 4 pullout rooms which can be converted into 2 additional classrooms. Though it only has 600 lockers, it could support a maximum of 26 classrooms and 650 students at 25 students/classroom. It will really shine when enrollments are 550 or less. It also has space planned in for a future addition if necessary.</p><p>I think they&#8217;ve done about the best they currently can to maximize green space. I hope CSD will make a long term commitment to continue purchasing lots adjacent to the new 4/5 Academy.</p><p>My lingering concerns would be classroom size, sinks in classrooms, maximizing outdoor play space, and the maximum capacity of the multipurpose room.</p><p>Trying to answer Karass&#8217; concerns about enrollments&#8230;</p><p>If we&#8217;re at 550 enrollments between kindergarten and 1st grade, then we have some of the highest enrollments seen in the last 25 years. Historically, we tend to gain enrollments at traditional transition points: 1st, 6th, and 9th grades. But overall, we lose enrollments between kindergarten and 12th grade. From 1986-2008, we had mean and median decline in enrollments between Kindergarten and 12th grade of around 24-25%. Our highest K-1 enrollments since 1986 were 580 in 1996. In 2001, this cohort became 425 4th and 5th graders. And in 2007, 380 11th and 12th graders.</p><p>So if recent history repeats itself, the kindergarten and 1rst grade classes we have today will not overcrowd our new 4/5 Academy tomorrow. However, our current growth appears to be different from the last bubble, in that we&#8217;re seeing enrollment growth across the board in all grades. So I don&#8217;t place as much confidence on the traditional decline in enrollments from kindergarten to 12th grade during the current economic environment. All that said, the current 4/5 plans should work.</p><p>Our K-3 capacity will be tight. Even with Glennwood, we are probably about 10-12 classrooms short of where it would need to be to balance the planned capacity for 5th Ave, RMS, and DHS.</p><p>My best guess is, that as long as the current economic malaise continues, our schools will continue to fill up to capacity. Which is both an opportunity and a challenge.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Squeaky Wheel</title><link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2010/03/18/new-5th-avenue-site-plans-now-online/#comment-33372</link> <dc:creator>Squeaky Wheel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:58:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.decaturmetro.com/?p=20705#comment-33372</guid> <description>Regarding the bus line on Oakview: Rosser did a dry run with 10 buses lined up along Oakview around 7:30am. They noted that they buses did not impede traffic, but did appear to slow the traffic down some, which is never a bad thing! In my mind, slower traffic makes this configuration an even wiser decision because it also helps to protect the kids not riding the bus.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the bus line on Oakview: Rosser did a dry run with 10 buses lined up along Oakview around 7:30am. They noted that they buses did not impede traffic, but did appear to slow the traffic down some, which is never a bad thing! In my mind, slower traffic makes this configuration an even wiser decision because it also helps to protect the kids not riding the bus.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rob P</title><link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2010/03/18/new-5th-avenue-site-plans-now-online/#comment-33318</link> <dc:creator>Rob P</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 19:57:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.decaturmetro.com/?p=20705#comment-33318</guid> <description>I agree with those that posted on the process working.  I see many of the changes that parents and other citizens requested.  It is great to see whole rooms set aside for science and art.  I also note the field size is maximized and detailed.  Hopefully, the field will be useable by CSD and Active Living.  It would be nice to see them work together on possibly funding a synthetic surface field that can be used even when wet!  I also like the access at ground floor.  It looks like the building will be much more approachable.  The bike racks are also in a better, protected place (theft has been an issue at the more exposed Glennwood).  Like all the K-5 schools, a gym is still needed, but funding that is an issue.  All in all, nicely done and proof that citizen input is a good thing.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with those that posted on the process working.  I see many of the changes that parents and other citizens requested.  It is great to see whole rooms set aside for science and art.  I also note the field size is maximized and detailed.  Hopefully, the field will be useable by CSD and Active Living.  It would be nice to see them work together on possibly funding a synthetic surface field that can be used even when wet!  I also like the access at ground floor.  It looks like the building will be much more approachable.  The bike racks are also in a better, protected place (theft has been an issue at the more exposed Glennwood).  Like all the K-5 schools, a gym is still needed, but funding that is an issue.  All in all, nicely done and proof that citizen input is a good thing.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: smalltowngal</title><link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2010/03/18/new-5th-avenue-site-plans-now-online/#comment-33310</link> <dc:creator>smalltowngal</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 19:25:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.decaturmetro.com/?p=20705#comment-33310</guid> <description>IMO their primary job is running the school system, and of course that involves communication with stakeholders and the public. I was referring to what seemed like an avalanche of communication requirements  AFTER there had already been a process that included community input and feedback. Somehow I know I&#039;m going to regret opening my mouth.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO their primary job is running the school system, and of course that involves communication with stakeholders and the public. I was referring to what seemed like an avalanche of communication requirements  AFTER there had already been a process that included community input and feedback. Somehow I know I&#8217;m going to regret opening my mouth.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Karass</title><link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2010/03/18/new-5th-avenue-site-plans-now-online/#comment-33286</link> <dc:creator>Karass</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:47:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.decaturmetro.com/?p=20705#comment-33286</guid> <description>Agree, any decent job performance plan for a mid-level to senior position in government includes a responsibility for communication with,  and responsiveness to, citizens.   City of Decatur staff are also busy and seem to be able to do it with a smile.  No question that a communications position in Central Office would be useful; it&#039;s just a question of whether it should be prioritized over teacher salary reductions (furloughs), number of instructional days, and any staff or program cuts.   If a tax increase, or bus transportation cuts, or some other mechanism was available to prevent furloughs, length of school year cuts, and staff or program cuts, filling high salary positions in Central Office would be more defensible.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree, any decent job performance plan for a mid-level to senior position in government includes a responsibility for communication with,  and responsiveness to, citizens.   City of Decatur staff are also busy and seem to be able to do it with a smile.  No question that a communications position in Central Office would be useful; it&#8217;s just a question of whether it should be prioritized over teacher salary reductions (furloughs), number of instructional days, and any staff or program cuts.   If a tax increase, or bus transportation cuts, or some other mechanism was available to prevent furloughs, length of school year cuts, and staff or program cuts, filling high salary positions in Central Office would be more defensible.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Karass</title><link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2010/03/18/new-5th-avenue-site-plans-now-online/#comment-33285</link> <dc:creator>Karass</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:39:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.decaturmetro.com/?p=20705#comment-33285</guid> <description>Yes, despite naysayers contention to the contrary, it is possible to oppose a CSD decision but then contribute constructively to making that decision work as best as possible for the students who the decision affects.  Actually, there&#039;s proof of that happening several times in the last 5 years including people who opposed particular decisions then heading or serving on PTA/PTOs and/or School Councils and/or SLTs and/or spending countless hours volunteering and/or helping to raise tens of thousands of dollars for the schools.  It&#039;s the responsible thing to do.  It&#039;s irresponsible to keep quiet when one has serious questions and concerns but it&#039;s also irresponsible to punish the students just because of concerns about CSD decisions.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, despite naysayers contention to the contrary, it is possible to oppose a CSD decision but then contribute constructively to making that decision work as best as possible for the students who the decision affects.  Actually, there&#8217;s proof of that happening several times in the last 5 years including people who opposed particular decisions then heading or serving on PTA/PTOs and/or School Councils and/or SLTs and/or spending countless hours volunteering and/or helping to raise tens of thousands of dollars for the schools.  It&#8217;s the responsible thing to do.  It&#8217;s irresponsible to keep quiet when one has serious questions and concerns but it&#8217;s also irresponsible to punish the students just because of concerns about CSD decisions.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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