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> <channel><title>Comments on: Avondale Estates Leads Charge For College Avenue Annexation This Time Around</title> <atom:link href="/2010/01/12/avondale-estates-leads-charge-for-decaturavondale-annexation-along-college-ave/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2010/01/12/avondale-estates-leads-charge-for-decaturavondale-annexation-along-college-ave/</link> <description>Decatur Georgia News, Events, Atlanta News</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 17:44:18 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2</generator> <item><title>By: Erik Haagensen</title><link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2010/01/12/avondale-estates-leads-charge-for-decaturavondale-annexation-along-college-ave/#comment-27323</link> <dc:creator>Erik Haagensen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:33:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.decaturmetro.com/?p=20705#comment-27323</guid> <description>Hi Ben,For the record...there were about fifty property owners active against the proposed legislation last year. My property was included in last years proposal. The property is supposedly not in the proposed legislation this year, but one can&#039;t be sure until the final law is written or not. I have invested my life savings in attempting to build a cool community where people can come and learn, and create, and connect with other people and get away from their worries. I can&#039;t help but be concerned about the future of that and speak out.My opposition to the annexation of commercial property is purely based on the fact that commercial property owners do not have a say in the matter, unlike residential property owners. It strikes me as undemocratic and un-American that you have the freedom to choose what county or city you want to buy land in, and that later someone can come along and undo that choice after you have chosen to invest your life savings. And you have no say in it. No vote. Nobody asks you if you want it, nobody tries to woo you to consider it. Nobody offers you anything. It is all about taking from you and control.It simply strikes me as unfair.I&#039;m a pretty reasonable person, and I enjoy civic debate and exchanging viewpoints with people who might not agree with me. I don&#039;t think there is anything wrong with having a different opinion and expressing it. Please remember, I&#039;m not the one trying to force my plans on anyone else to their disadvantage. I have been on the receiving end and am simply speaking out against what I feel is an unjust imposition.If anyone is miffed at me for expressing my view, then I would invite them to sit down over a cup of coffee and discuss it with me. I&#039;d like to understand their viewpoint better and hopefully they can understand mine better. We might not agree at the end of the conversation, but we&#039;ll both have more information and we&#039;ll have made a personal connection that is meaningful.I still patronize businesses in Avondale that are supporting the annexations. I am friends with  Avondale residents that are supporting the annexation. I also have friends in Avondale that think the annexations are totally unfair and undemocratic...not everyone in Avondale agrees with the party line.I think we can all be civil and be friends and do business and socialize and coooperate on some things yet have different opinions on other things. That&#039;s the beauty of America!Erik Haagensen</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ben,</p><p>For the record&#8230;there were about fifty property owners active against the proposed legislation last year. My property was included in last years proposal. The property is supposedly not in the proposed legislation this year, but one can&#8217;t be sure until the final law is written or not. I have invested my life savings in attempting to build a cool community where people can come and learn, and create, and connect with other people and get away from their worries. I can&#8217;t help but be concerned about the future of that and speak out.</p><p>My opposition to the annexation of commercial property is purely based on the fact that commercial property owners do not have a say in the matter, unlike residential property owners. It strikes me as undemocratic and un-American that you have the freedom to choose what county or city you want to buy land in, and that later someone can come along and undo that choice after you have chosen to invest your life savings. And you have no say in it. No vote. Nobody asks you if you want it, nobody tries to woo you to consider it. Nobody offers you anything. It is all about taking from you and control.</p><p>It simply strikes me as unfair.</p><p>I&#8217;m a pretty reasonable person, and I enjoy civic debate and exchanging viewpoints with people who might not agree with me. I don&#8217;t think there is anything wrong with having a different opinion and expressing it. Please remember, I&#8217;m not the one trying to force my plans on anyone else to their disadvantage. I have been on the receiving end and am simply speaking out against what I feel is an unjust imposition.</p><p>If anyone is miffed at me for expressing my view, then I would invite them to sit down over a cup of coffee and discuss it with me. I&#8217;d like to understand their viewpoint better and hopefully they can understand mine better. We might not agree at the end of the conversation, but we&#8217;ll both have more information and we&#8217;ll have made a personal connection that is meaningful.</p><p>I still patronize businesses in Avondale that are supporting the annexations. I am friends with  Avondale residents that are supporting the annexation. I also have friends in Avondale that think the annexations are totally unfair and undemocratic&#8230;not everyone in Avondale agrees with the party line.</p><p>I think we can all be civil and be friends and do business and socialize and coooperate on some things yet have different opinions on other things. That&#8217;s the beauty of America!</p><p>Erik Haagensen</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Decatur Metro</title><link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2010/01/12/avondale-estates-leads-charge-for-decaturavondale-annexation-along-college-ave/#comment-26720</link> <dc:creator>Decatur Metro</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:58:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.decaturmetro.com/?p=20705#comment-26720</guid> <description>Regarding this strip Joanna, the reason Decatur couldn&#039;t just go ahead and annex was because a majority of the property owners in the area were/are against it.Therefore, it has to go before the state legislature for approval.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding this strip Joanna, the reason Decatur couldn&#8217;t just go ahead and annex was because a majority of the property owners in the area were/are against it.</p><p>Therefore, it has to go before the state legislature for approval.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: DEM</title><link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2010/01/12/avondale-estates-leads-charge-for-decaturavondale-annexation-along-college-ave/#comment-26676</link> <dc:creator>DEM</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:39:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.decaturmetro.com/?p=20705#comment-26676</guid> <description>Maybe you consider it a pittance.  Maybe Avondale doesn&#039;t see it that way, especially if they have additional annexations in mind after this one.  I don&#039;t know either way, si I can&#039;t simply dismiss the money issue on this one.  And what makes me think it is an issue is, as others have poitned out, Avondale&#039;s existing strecth of the street is not exactly 100% &quot;unblighted.&quot;  They haven&#039;t fixed their existing problems but claim some ability to add more space and fix that?  It&#039;s doubtful, at best.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you consider it a pittance.  Maybe Avondale doesn&#8217;t see it that way, especially if they have additional annexations in mind after this one.  I don&#8217;t know either way, si I can&#8217;t simply dismiss the money issue on this one.  And what makes me think it is an issue is, as others have poitned out, Avondale&#8217;s existing strecth of the street is not exactly 100% &#8220;unblighted.&#8221;  They haven&#8217;t fixed their existing problems but claim some ability to add more space and fix that?  It&#8217;s doubtful, at best.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Len</title><link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2010/01/12/avondale-estates-leads-charge-for-decaturavondale-annexation-along-college-ave/#comment-26666</link> <dc:creator>Len</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:03:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.decaturmetro.com/?p=20705#comment-26666</guid> <description>How does that &quot;tax break&quot; work mathematically? Suppose you make $100 and there is a 10% tax. You have $90 and Sonny gets $10. Now suppose that you donate $10 to the Decatur Beer Festival Foundation, and the state tax statute allows full deduction of this donation, so you after you pay $9 tax on your $90 you are left with $81. If you really &quot;needed&quot; a tax break it didn&#039;t help you because you have even less money in your pocket.What the tax break does is to encourage activities society finds beneficial by paying you to give money to the activity. Sonny paid you a dollar to support the Decatur Beer Festival. And you still have to buy a ticket! Tax breaks like this do not have an end result of helping your pocket, they help your prestige, your feelings of doing something worthwhile, and they help targeted activities.Likewise, I doubt the annexation would initially help the two cities financially, especially if there is a current property owner not paying taxes. If the goal here is that Avondale and Decatur band together to create something that has more visual appeal than the current strip of Collage Avenue with and appropriate code enforcement authority then I&#039;m all for it. I&#039;d pay more for a main street that looks better and supports pedestrian activity because all evidence shows that will increase the value of the property I own. If my small tax investment pooled with those of other property owners accomplishes that goal it is worth it to me.FWIW, I do not live in Decatur, although I can see Decatur from my house. The Decatur annexation plan would pull me into the city which is OK with me.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does that &#8220;tax break&#8221; work mathematically? Suppose you make $100 and there is a 10% tax. You have $90 and Sonny gets $10. Now suppose that you donate $10 to the Decatur Beer Festival Foundation, and the state tax statute allows full deduction of this donation, so you after you pay $9 tax on your $90 you are left with $81. If you really &#8220;needed&#8221; a tax break it didn&#8217;t help you because you have even less money in your pocket.</p><p>What the tax break does is to encourage activities society finds beneficial by paying you to give money to the activity. Sonny paid you a dollar to support the Decatur Beer Festival. And you still have to buy a ticket! Tax breaks like this do not have an end result of helping your pocket, they help your prestige, your feelings of doing something worthwhile, and they help targeted activities.</p><p>Likewise, I doubt the annexation would initially help the two cities financially, especially if there is a current property owner not paying taxes. If the goal here is that Avondale and Decatur band together to create something that has more visual appeal than the current strip of Collage Avenue with and appropriate code enforcement authority then I&#8217;m all for it. I&#8217;d pay more for a main street that looks better and supports pedestrian activity because all evidence shows that will increase the value of the property I own. If my small tax investment pooled with those of other property owners accomplishes that goal it is worth it to me.</p><p>FWIW, I do not live in Decatur, although I can see Decatur from my house. The Decatur annexation plan would pull me into the city which is OK with me.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joanna</title><link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2010/01/12/avondale-estates-leads-charge-for-decaturavondale-annexation-along-college-ave/#comment-26658</link> <dc:creator>Joanna</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:54:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.decaturmetro.com/?p=20705#comment-26658</guid> <description>I&#039;m confused about the exclusion of the residential properties directly behind these commercial properties.  I thought that was the whole uproar previously...that CSD didn&#039;t want to include those properties, because they didn&#039;t know if if would overload the schools.  If the annexation didn&#039;t have to include these properties, then why wouldn&#039;t Decatur have just gone ahead and moved forward with the annexation?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m confused about the exclusion of the residential properties directly behind these commercial properties.  I thought that was the whole uproar previously&#8230;that CSD didn&#8217;t want to include those properties, because they didn&#8217;t know if if would overload the schools.  If the annexation didn&#8217;t have to include these properties, then why wouldn&#8217;t Decatur have just gone ahead and moved forward with the annexation?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Caesar's Dad</title><link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2010/01/12/avondale-estates-leads-charge-for-decaturavondale-annexation-along-college-ave/#comment-26636</link> <dc:creator>Caesar's Dad</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 03:31:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.decaturmetro.com/?p=20705#comment-26636</guid> <description>In the least, a streetscape improvement could at least make an improvement to the road shoulder. It would be too costly to relocate the power lines, but at least it would be a start to get new sidewalks, lighting, trees...A redevelopment scheme is always a lot harder.DeKalb doesn&#039;t care to make an effort into small corridors like this, whereas the Cities have an interest in this key link between them. The county is too busy wasting money with streetscape and sidewalks on lost causes like Memorial Drive or Candler Road. They chickened out and wouldn&#039;t even condemn rusting signs falling down in order to clean up the roadside for the Memorial streetscape, because property owners protested---a project that took years to get approved by GDOT.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the least, a streetscape improvement could at least make an improvement to the road shoulder. It would be too costly to relocate the power lines, but at least it would be a start to get new sidewalks, lighting, trees&#8230;A redevelopment scheme is always a lot harder.</p><p>DeKalb doesn&#8217;t care to make an effort into small corridors like this, whereas the Cities have an interest in this key link between them. The county is too busy wasting money with streetscape and sidewalks on lost causes like Memorial Drive or Candler Road. They chickened out and wouldn&#8217;t even condemn rusting signs falling down in order to clean up the roadside for the Memorial streetscape, because property owners protested&#8212;a project that took years to get approved by GDOT.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rez</title><link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2010/01/12/avondale-estates-leads-charge-for-decaturavondale-annexation-along-college-ave/#comment-26607</link> <dc:creator>Rez</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:56:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.decaturmetro.com/?p=20705#comment-26607</guid> <description>Quick question--has the City completely abandoned the idea of annexing residential properties or is it still planning on addressing this in 2011? As someone who lives off Katie Kerr, i&#039;m hoping that the annexation of this area is still a possibility.We&#039;d love to be &quot;official&quot; members of Decautr and would gladly pay more in taxes to get City Of Decatur services...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick question&#8211;has the City completely abandoned the idea of annexing residential properties or is it still planning on addressing this in 2011? As someone who lives off Katie Kerr, i&#8217;m hoping that the annexation of this area is still a possibility.</p><p>We&#8217;d love to be &#8220;official&#8221; members of Decautr and would gladly pay more in taxes to get City Of Decatur services&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Squeaky Wheel</title><link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2010/01/12/avondale-estates-leads-charge-for-decaturavondale-annexation-along-college-ave/#comment-26605</link> <dc:creator>Squeaky Wheel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:33:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.decaturmetro.com/?p=20705#comment-26605</guid> <description>I&#039;d like to point out that neither Decatur or Avondale Estates is physically able to clean up an area (unless it is condemned of course). As I understand things in Decatur, the development plan requires new businesses to comply with the design and infrastructure regulations, but existing businesses do not have to change anything. The same is likely true in AE. If that is correct, then any &quot;cleaning up&quot; would only be done by a new owner once a property sells. This could be rather soon after annexation if a previous poster is accurate in the suggestion that some of these property owners are holding out for an offer they can&#039;t refuse.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to point out that neither Decatur or Avondale Estates is physically able to clean up an area (unless it is condemned of course). As I understand things in Decatur, the development plan requires new businesses to comply with the design and infrastructure regulations, but existing businesses do not have to change anything. The same is likely true in AE. If that is correct, then any &#8220;cleaning up&#8221; would only be done by a new owner once a property sells. This could be rather soon after annexation if a previous poster is accurate in the suggestion that some of these property owners are holding out for an offer they can&#8217;t refuse.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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