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		<title>By: taxus</title>
		<link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2008/10/08/315-opposition-goes-underground/#comment-3341</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 01:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Scott

I stand corrected. I&#039;m always open to learning new things on a daily basis.

From the City Development Standards:

&quot;...14.   Government and business offices; office buildings: One space per 400 square feet of gross floor area.&quot;

This must come as quite a relief to developers who are used to 200 sf requirement in many jurisdictions.

The difference then is 70 spaces discounting all 2 bedroom units proposed.  Or, in other words, at the rate of $25,000/parking deck space, a savings of $1.7 million  to the developer.

Just curious, and as a measure of reality, has anyone looked to see how many vacant spaces are available at the Ice House Loft (rental units) parking deck between the hours of 8 &amp; 5?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Scott</p>
<p>I stand corrected. I&#8217;m always open to learning new things on a daily basis.</p>
<p>From the City Development Standards:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;14.   Government and business offices; office buildings: One space per 400 square feet of gross floor area.&#8221;</p>
<p>This must come as quite a relief to developers who are used to 200 sf requirement in many jurisdictions.</p>
<p>The difference then is 70 spaces discounting all 2 bedroom units proposed.  Or, in other words, at the rate of $25,000/parking deck space, a savings of $1.7 million  to the developer.</p>
<p>Just curious, and as a measure of reality, has anyone looked to see how many vacant spaces are available at the Ice House Loft (rental units) parking deck between the hours of 8 &amp; 5?</p>
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		<title>By: newbie</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Should I change my name to &quot;formerly newbie&quot; as I&#039;m no longer new to the discussion?  I tried others...not happy with those either tho.

anyhoo...I wonder if a lot of the animosity to new development comes from a suburban mentatlity?  Just throwing it out there.  I say this cause, typically, in the suburbs there is a diminishing return to development.  ie you buy a house in a typical suburb in Cobb/Gwinnett/Forsyth one can be content, until new development shows up, as it inevitably does.  The woods in your backyard are now another sprawled out development to add traffic on the streets to the new poorly built strip-mall (due to accelerated depreciation our govt decided was a good idea 70 years ago) that just opened up.  Development is far from a good thing in that environment.

That being said, in an urban environment (such as Decatur), the returns can be quite nice.  ie 315, or Trinity will add vitality to currently barren landscapes (parking lot and rubble).  they will add diversity through new residents and shops, and be generally a greener move as it will add population near transit (as opposed to putting people out in the burbs or further from transit).  Traffic does not seem to be adversely affected either (in fact, as Decatur has denseified traffic has decreased).  Something to keep in mind.

I am not in the &quot;cater to the car&quot; camp.

of course, as the economy tanks, we may all find ourselves beyond thunderdome...and this all just becomes a moot point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should I change my name to &#8220;formerly newbie&#8221; as I&#8217;m no longer new to the discussion?  I tried others&#8230;not happy with those either tho.</p>
<p>anyhoo&#8230;I wonder if a lot of the animosity to new development comes from a suburban mentatlity?  Just throwing it out there.  I say this cause, typically, in the suburbs there is a diminishing return to development.  ie you buy a house in a typical suburb in Cobb/Gwinnett/Forsyth one can be content, until new development shows up, as it inevitably does.  The woods in your backyard are now another sprawled out development to add traffic on the streets to the new poorly built strip-mall (due to accelerated depreciation our govt decided was a good idea 70 years ago) that just opened up.  Development is far from a good thing in that environment.</p>
<p>That being said, in an urban environment (such as Decatur), the returns can be quite nice.  ie 315, or Trinity will add vitality to currently barren landscapes (parking lot and rubble).  they will add diversity through new residents and shops, and be generally a greener move as it will add population near transit (as opposed to putting people out in the burbs or further from transit).  Traffic does not seem to be adversely affected either (in fact, as Decatur has denseified traffic has decreased).  Something to keep in mind.</p>
<p>I am not in the &#8220;cater to the car&#8221; camp.</p>
<p>of course, as the economy tanks, we may all find ourselves beyond thunderdome&#8230;and this all just becomes a moot point.</p>
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		<title>By: taxus</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr Metro
You said:

...which is an actual solution as opposed to doomsday calls for covering front yards in asphalt.

Where is the data for that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Metro<br />
You said:</p>
<p>&#8230;which is an actual solution as opposed to doomsday calls for covering front yards in asphalt.</p>
<p>Where is the data for that?</p>
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		<title>By: Decatur Metro</title>
		<link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2008/10/08/315-opposition-goes-underground/#comment-3339</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Decatur Metro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also might want to take a look at Scott&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.decaturmetro.com/2008/05/27/contin/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;parking contingency plan&lt;/a&gt; idea from back in May, which is an actual solution as opposed to doomsday calls for covering front yards in asphalt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also might want to take a look at Scott&#8217;s <a href="/2008/05/27/contin/" rel="nofollow">parking contingency plan</a> idea from back in May, which is an actual solution as opposed to doomsday calls for covering front yards in asphalt.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, okay, Taxus. I just figured you&#039;d appreciate learning something. For example, you based your water absorption argument in large part on the requirement for one parking space per 200 sq ft of office. Only problem is, if you&#039;d read the old threads you&#039;d know that the requirement is one space per *400* sq ft, and the required total of office parking is half what you thought.

Then the rest of your calculations wouldn&#039;t be wrong and people might seem less cranky and take them more seriously.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, okay, Taxus. I just figured you&#8217;d appreciate learning something. For example, you based your water absorption argument in large part on the requirement for one parking space per 200 sq ft of office. Only problem is, if you&#8217;d read the old threads you&#8217;d know that the requirement is one space per *400* sq ft, and the required total of office parking is half what you thought.</p>
<p>Then the rest of your calculations wouldn&#8217;t be wrong and people might seem less cranky and take them more seriously.</p>
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