The AJC titled their article about last night’s 315 approval,”Decatur approves Ponce Parking Deck.”

Nevermind the concerns over density of the apartments or future traffic issues.  The parking deck – which hasn’t been debated since the number of units was reduced to 160 – is what counts.

Come on AJC…you’re making this too easy.

I’ll have more in the morning.  G’night.

View from Ponce Pl - Pic Courtesy of Livable Growth

Back at the end of November, DM reported the sizable reduction of units that the 315 developer made in response to citizen concerns about density and parking brought up at the October Otis White meeting.

Well, the developer made that reduction by eliminating the building that originally was to be squeezed in along Ponce between the existing office building and the street, while retaining the rear building that would be built within the existing parking lot, with a parking deck situated behind Fairview and courtyards along Montgomery (view above is along Ponce Place).  Livable Growth has the full plans here (pdf)

I tried to gauge reaction from the neighborhood about the reduction, but never heard word back.  Plus, with the variety of opinions, I guess just one voice wouldn’t have sufficed anyway.

Next step is for this new plan to go before the Planning Commission this Thursday at 7:30p.   If all goes according to schedule, they will make a recommendation to the city commission, which will vote yea or nay on the project next Monday (Dec 15th) at 7:30p, along with some other issue regarding annexation.

David reports over at InDecatur that the city commission recognized last night that both the 315 W. Ponce development and the annexation decision are scheduled to be decided on the very same night: December 15th.

And it doesn’t sound like there’s much that can be done to legally reschedule either.

I think Wile E. Coyote said it best:

Scott forwards an email from Otis White announcing a second 315 W. Ponce meeting at City Hall December 3rd from 6:30-8:30p.  The big news in it is the sizable reduction of units.

Dear Decatur citizen:

We are convening a meeting about the 315 W. Ponce project on Wednesday,
Dec. 3 from 6:30 to 8:30 at Decatur City Hall.  The meeting will be in
the City Commission Room.

Background: A group of neighbors has been in direct talks with the 315
W. Ponce developer since our Oct. 15 meeting, and these talks are
continuing.  The developer presented a revised plan to this group in
response to issues identified at the Oct. 15 meeting.  While neighbors
recognized the concessions being made by the developer, they identified
problems with the new proposal.  In response, the developer revised the
original site plan that reduced the number of units from 218 to 160
units and eliminated the need for a parking variance.

The meeting will convene citizens to:
– Learn what has happened since the October meeting.
– Hear the developer’s revised proposal.
– Hear the neighborhood group’s concerns with the revised proposal.
– Learn whether there are other voices that wish to be heard about the
project.

In the weeks ahead, the 315 W. Ponce project will enter the established
city process for reviewing projects (Planning Commission, City
Commission, etc.)  Before it does, we want to give citizens a chance to
learn where the project is and make sure all points of view are heard.

Best regards,

Otis White

What I’ve heard through the grapevine is that the entire building that was supposed to front W. Ponce has been removed.  Anyone want to confirm that for me?

Better late than never, right?  (Yeah, that’s not really the case when it comes to blogs, is it? Unless you’re one of those new age “slow bloggers”. )

David mentioned something about the 315 Meeting Report a few days back and I realized I had never seen it (let alone posted it).

But all we needed to do was look.  Its over on the Livable Growth website available for all to view.  And I bet you can guess the main concerns without me even telling you, since we’ve all batted them around for almost a year:  density, shared parking and the quality of the construction.

OK, just to let people know up front…Scott fully acknowledges that he is disturbed (and a little obsessive).

But he and I were intrigued by what happens when you take a row of brand-new brownstones that are currently located awkwardly in a cluster off of Scott (just east of Clairemont) and plop them down in the 315 parking lot along Montgomery.

The results are below: with the first two pics before the jump and the final three after.  Does the change in context of the brownstones or the Montgomery streetscape alter your opinion of either? (Scott and I have our own opinions, which we will perhaps reveal after a bit of discussion.)

And please note:  This is just an exercise, designed to provide a visual alternative.  It is nothing the developer has proposed.  In fact, everyone familiar with this saga knows the developer’s latest plan includes courtyards that eliminate the “wall effect” that a continuous row of brownstones would produce.

Existing Parking Lot along Montgomery

Three story brownstones added

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Scott sends along the meeting notes from last week’s 315 W. Ponce meeting.   The email notes that it has yet to determine whether there will be a follow up meeting yet.

Below is the overview…

There were a number of themes that ran through the discussion and the flip-chart notes. Among them:

• The three greatest concerns were density, shared parking and the quality of construction. Some small groups were concerned about number of units that had been proposed; others were more concerned about the location of the units on the site. Some groups were doubtful that the shared-parking concept (where parking spaces are used by office workers by day and residents by night) would work. Their fear: Residents and workers would park in the neighborhood. There was also concern about the quality of the project – that it would be poorly designed or constructed and, therefore, not reflect well on the city or the neighborhood.

• The other side of the concerns were the aspirations that the groups had for the project. Several said they hoped it would be a landmark project. (One said it wanted a “legacy,” a project that would cause citizens to say, “Look what we did here.” Another group said it was looking for a “historical building.”)

• There was an acknowledgment that a project like this could bring more people to downtown Decatur, and that was a good thing. (“More people walking on street,” one group said.) But another group worried that too many people would “overwhelm (the) neighborhood.”

• Some groups saw this project as an opportunity for the city government to think about similar projects in the future and establish rules for things like shared parking, and setbacks and building placements for projects facing single-family residential streets. “Have this be the model for other developments in the city,” one group urged.

• There were some possible compromises that were raised. One mentioned by several groups was shifting the densest parts of the project to the West Ponce de Leon side of the site and away from Montgomery Street. One group suggested that the developers negotiate with Wachovia Bank for use of its drive-through on Ponce de Leon Place. If a deal with the bank could be worked out, , it might allow developers to “wrap” the densest part of their project around the corner of West Ponce Avenue and Ponce Place.

• There were also compromises suggested on the shared-parking and traffic concerns. One group suggested that a new study of shared parking be done, this time by a consultant that the developer and neighborhood jointly agreed upon. The same group suggested that there be an agreement in advance on what should be done if traffic problems increased after the project was built – in other words, if traffic plans failed.

DeKalb County closed a portion of Ponce Place adjacent to 315 this afternoon and dug a mighty big hole in the ground.  Anyone have the scoop on what’s going on?

I saw at least two cherry-pickers, two dump trucks and a bulldozer.  Any two year-old boy would have been in heaven! 

Scott's Pic - 315 Meeting (Otis White at Right)

UPDATE II: The AJC reports from the meeting here and InDecatur has a nice first-hand report from participant Joe Winter.

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UPDATE: Sounds positive so far! Scott is good enough to write in with a summary of the beginning of the meeting..

“The meeting was set up so that people were arranged in groups of about six or eight people. Otis White made some initial remarks, establishing at the onset that the goal was to ensure that everyone with any desire to contribute could be heard. His point was that, over the past year, many voices have emerged — some loud and some more measured — and that the possibility certainly existed that there were others with a stake in the outcome who have yet to participate in the discourse.”

Then the neighborhood, developer and city were allowed to make opening statements. Though there was some resistance, many in the neighborhood seemed to agree with Mr. White that it would be worth while to get everyone on the same page. Scott continues…

“After remarks from the various parties, the individual groups went to work on their first task: Identify their key concerns about, as well as their aspirations for, the project. Once those had been collectively presented back to the whole room, they were given a second task of taking one of their aspirations and brainstorming on ways the developer could reasonably address them.”

Beyond that point, we’ll need the rest of you to fill in the holes on your views and impressions. Sounds like it had the potential to be a fruitful meeting!

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So, here’s the rub. I can’t attend the 315 meeting this evening. Other commitments demand the Metro’s attention (wow…that name sounds so stupid).

The good news is you won’t have to endure my usual morning-after report, full of rambling tangents and lazy summaries. The bad news is: you gotta fill me in.

How did the meeting go? Was the place packed? How effective was Otis White? Did we make any progress on the issues at hand or did it devolve into an “I hate you! I hate you more!” battle of wits?

Also, even if you don’t generally like to comment because of your fear of blowhards (like myself) asking you 10,000 follow up questions, you can still make yourself heard by taking advantage of this site’s newest feature: polling!

Cool, huh?