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	<title>Comments on: Glendale Mugging</title>
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		<title>By: W. Gibbets</title>
		<link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2009/06/08/glendal-mugging/#comment-11350</link>
		<dc:creator>W. Gibbets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may have missed this part from the above post:

&quot;Every economic level in a society has it’s criminals–the economy has very little to do with it... &quot;

I was actually thinking about Madoff and Spectre, but Enron fits well too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may have missed this part from the above post:</p>
<p>&#8220;Every economic level in a society has it’s criminals–the economy has very little to do with it&#8230; &#8221;</p>
<p>I was actually thinking about Madoff and Spectre, but Enron fits well too.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Rick</title>
		<link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2009/06/08/glendal-mugging/#comment-11338</link>
		<dc:creator>Another Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When talk turns to crime committed by lower income persons, I like to remind the talker that crime is not limited to certain income groups. Think of the Enron crimes and more other more recent examples of corporate crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When talk turns to crime committed by lower income persons, I like to remind the talker that crime is not limited to certain income groups. Think of the Enron crimes and more other more recent examples of corporate crime.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris 2.0</title>
		<link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2009/06/08/glendal-mugging/#comment-11333</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...can&#039;t hurt to keep an eye on craigslist either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;can&#8217;t hurt to keep an eye on craigslist either.</p>
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		<title>By: what_what</title>
		<link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2009/06/08/glendal-mugging/#comment-11330</link>
		<dc:creator>what_what</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 05:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry to hear about the bike! i was going to ask why no-one stopped the thugs when they inserted a four foot piece of pipe into the end of the kryptonite lock to pop it off, or how they stole the quick release front tire since he didn&#039;t pop it off and lock it with the back tire, or they stole the quick release seat since it wasn&#039;t locked on or he didn&#039;t take it with him. 

and then i re-read your article and saw &quot;it is always a dumb idea to leave a bike unlocked in an urban area.&quot; 

ouch. 

i feel bad for your son; a) he lost a bike b) probably has a nice lock with nothing to lock with it c) had to walk home d) had to tell mom and e) lost a bike, 

when i was 13, the bike was freedom, expression, a part of me. it was old and junky but it was mine. and when it got stolen when i brought it to college (locked up with a chain they cut), luck prevailed and a few months later i saw it locked up outside the dining hall. so i stole it back. speak softly and carry a big piece of pipe.

good luck to your son!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry to hear about the bike! i was going to ask why no-one stopped the thugs when they inserted a four foot piece of pipe into the end of the kryptonite lock to pop it off, or how they stole the quick release front tire since he didn&#8217;t pop it off and lock it with the back tire, or they stole the quick release seat since it wasn&#8217;t locked on or he didn&#8217;t take it with him. </p>
<p>and then i re-read your article and saw &#8220;it is always a dumb idea to leave a bike unlocked in an urban area.&#8221; </p>
<p>ouch. </p>
<p>i feel bad for your son; a) he lost a bike b) probably has a nice lock with nothing to lock with it c) had to walk home d) had to tell mom and e) lost a bike, </p>
<p>when i was 13, the bike was freedom, expression, a part of me. it was old and junky but it was mine. and when it got stolen when i brought it to college (locked up with a chain they cut), luck prevailed and a few months later i saw it locked up outside the dining hall. so i stole it back. speak softly and carry a big piece of pipe.</p>
<p>good luck to your son!</p>
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		<title>By: Freakonomic</title>
		<link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2009/06/08/glendal-mugging/#comment-11327</link>
		<dc:creator>Freakonomic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yep</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yep</p>
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		<title>By: CSD Snowflake</title>
		<link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2009/06/08/glendal-mugging/#comment-11326</link>
		<dc:creator>CSD Snowflake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ironic that I posted a note today about my kids&#039; questions about the economy and crime.  My 13 year old son had his mountain bike stolen at Piedmont Park today, in broad daylight, with bystanders passively watching (good news is that they at least could give a  description to the police of the kids from the pool who took it).  Doesn&#039;t matter whether it was when I was a kid or now, what administration we are under, what the economy is doing, it is always a dumb idea to leave a bike unlocked in an urban area.  On the other hand, it&#039;s probably better for my son to learn the hard way about urban crime from a stolen bike than from a mugging. 

Don&#039;t know if these pediatric thieves were unsupervised because their parent/guardians don&#039;t care, because their parent/guardians are working 3 part-time jobs after being laid off, because of a lack of affordable summer day camps, or because the kids themselves are incorrigible regardless of what supervision they get.  Don&#039;t know if the passive bystanders did nothing because they were scared, indifferent, impaired, or had criminal records themselves.  

Wish my son didn&#039;t have to learn about crime, that the kiddie perpetrators weren&#039;t criminals already, but glad that it wasn&#039;t a Mom being hit while pushing a stroller in Decatur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironic that I posted a note today about my kids&#8217; questions about the economy and crime.  My 13 year old son had his mountain bike stolen at Piedmont Park today, in broad daylight, with bystanders passively watching (good news is that they at least could give a  description to the police of the kids from the pool who took it).  Doesn&#8217;t matter whether it was when I was a kid or now, what administration we are under, what the economy is doing, it is always a dumb idea to leave a bike unlocked in an urban area.  On the other hand, it&#8217;s probably better for my son to learn the hard way about urban crime from a stolen bike than from a mugging. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know if these pediatric thieves were unsupervised because their parent/guardians don&#8217;t care, because their parent/guardians are working 3 part-time jobs after being laid off, because of a lack of affordable summer day camps, or because the kids themselves are incorrigible regardless of what supervision they get.  Don&#8217;t know if the passive bystanders did nothing because they were scared, indifferent, impaired, or had criminal records themselves.  </p>
<p>Wish my son didn&#8217;t have to learn about crime, that the kiddie perpetrators weren&#8217;t criminals already, but glad that it wasn&#8217;t a Mom being hit while pushing a stroller in Decatur.</p>
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		<title>By: W. Gibbets</title>
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		<dc:creator>W. Gibbets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheers Scott, I just have the approach that there is--and always will be--a criminal element in human beings. Every economic level in a society has it&#039;s criminals--the economy has very little to do with it outside of poor people robbing poor people and getting nothing and then having to go to more affluent neighborhoods. Which I&#039;m sure happens not matter what the economy is doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheers Scott, I just have the approach that there is&#8211;and always will be&#8211;a criminal element in human beings. Every economic level in a society has it&#8217;s criminals&#8211;the economy has very little to do with it outside of poor people robbing poor people and getting nothing and then having to go to more affluent neighborhoods. Which I&#8217;m sure happens not matter what the economy is doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.decaturmetro.com/2009/06/08/glendal-mugging/#comment-11315</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps, W. But the NYT has also quoted Richard Rosenfeld, a sociologist at the University of Missouri-St. Louis, in another story with an opposite premise:

“Every recession since the late ’50s has been associated with an increase in crime and, in particular, property crime and robbery, which would be most responsive to changes in economic conditions.&quot; Typically, he said, “there is a year lag between the economic change and crime rates.”

There&#039;s lots of data around, lots of anecdotal evidence, and lots of people trying to interpret it all. Not surprisingly, their conclusions vary across the board. That said, I definitely agree with your point about Decatur&#039;s strong position to address whatever happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps, W. But the NYT has also quoted Richard Rosenfeld, a sociologist at the University of Missouri-St. Louis, in another story with an opposite premise:</p>
<p>“Every recession since the late ’50s has been associated with an increase in crime and, in particular, property crime and robbery, which would be most responsive to changes in economic conditions.&#8221; Typically, he said, “there is a year lag between the economic change and crime rates.”</p>
<p>There&#8217;s lots of data around, lots of anecdotal evidence, and lots of people trying to interpret it all. Not surprisingly, their conclusions vary across the board. That said, I definitely agree with your point about Decatur&#8217;s strong position to address whatever happens.</p>
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